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Topic: Genesis 1:1-5 — Day One
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 6 of 110 (661416)
05-05-2012 9:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Jon 05-05-2012 8:37 AM
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Re: The Light was Good
So you are saying that hydrogen and oxygen were made before there was light? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 8 of 110 (661422)
05-05-2012 11:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Jon 05-05-2012 11:30 AM
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Re: The Light was Good
Well, the story says that water existed before light. Water is hydrogen and oxygen. What matters and energies other than hydrogen and oxygen existed before there was light? Was helium or carbon around? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 10 of 110 (661428)
05-05-2012 12:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Jon 05-05-2012 12:11 PM
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Re: The Light was Good
So we know that water existed, which also means that certain other forces existed. We know that electrons and protons existed. We know that covalent bonds existed. Did X-Rays or Gamma Rays or Microwaves or Infrared Rays or Ultraviolet rays exist? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 12 of 110 (661431)
05-05-2012 12:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 11 by Jon 05-05-2012 12:27 PM
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Re: The Light was Good
Well the water was formless, is that correct? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 15 of 110 (661439)
05-05-2012 2:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by Jon 05-05-2012 12:39 PM
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Re: The Light was Good
Sine the story uses the plural 'waters' then the waters were above absolute zero in temperature (otherwise they definitely would have form) and so we can say with some confidence that at least the infrared section of the electromagnetic spectrum existed. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 18 of 110 (661469)
05-06-2012 9:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Jon 05-06-2012 2:21 AM
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Re: The Light was Good
Yup, that the water existed and was without form indicates that it was above absolute zero and so it would radiate heat. So we know that at least part of the electromagnetic spectrum existed. We also know that gravity existed. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 27 of 110 (661501)
05-06-2012 10:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by Jon 05-06-2012 10:34 PM
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Re: The Light was Good
But we know we had more than just electrons, we had the heavens and the earth and water and gravity and helium and oxygen and protons and neutrons and the question is how we got heavens and the earth and water and gravity and helium and oxygen and protons and neutrons and electrons before light? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 33 of 110 (661515)
05-07-2012 9:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 30 by Jon 05-07-2012 7:59 AM
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Re: The Light was Good
But nothing in your message answers the question I asked; "...the question is how we got heavens and the earth and water and gravity and helium and oxygen and protons and neutrons and electrons before light?" Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 39 of 110 (661528)
05-07-2012 2:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 38 by Jon 05-07-2012 2:32 PM
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Re: The Light was Good
Perhaps it is, but it is not the question I asked. I asked; "...the question is how we got heavens and the earth and water and gravity and helium and oxygen and protons and neutrons and electrons before light?" Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 42 of 110 (661679)
05-09-2012 8:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 41 by Jon 05-09-2012 7:35 AM
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Re: The Light was Good
You keep making the claim that "light requires various matters and energies to exist" but keep forgetting to explain what evidence or reasoning supports that assertion. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 47 of 110 (661820)
05-10-2012 2:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 45 by Jon 05-10-2012 11:51 AM
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Re: The Light was Good
Let's start with photons. What is needed to produce a photon? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 50 of 110 (661969)
05-11-2012 11:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 49 by Jon 05-11-2012 11:36 AM
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Re: The Light was Good
But according to the story, the 'stuff' needed to produce light already existed and by it's very existence there would have been light even before God said "Let there be light" unless you can explain how the pieces parts that already existed were somehow prevented from producing photons. Since we know that hydrogen and oxygen existed and that they combined to produce water and that the water was above absolute zero (likely above freezing) then there were already photons being produced. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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