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Omnivorous
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Message 121 of 136 (635347)
09-28-2011 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Coragyps
09-28-2011 6:33 PM


Re: I Shall Be Released
Coragyps writes:
"I was sinking deep in sin
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
Exactly.
I kept trying to figure out what the one unforgivable sin was, so I could do it.
Never quite figured that one out, but I suspect I got it covered.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Coragyps
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Message 122 of 136 (635356)
09-28-2011 8:26 PM
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09-28-2011 7:22 PM


Re: I Shall Be Released
Apparently the Big Unforgivable is "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit," to which I say fuck a whole basket of holy spirits, and feed 'em fishheads.

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bluescat48
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Message 123 of 136 (635389)
09-29-2011 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by fearandloathing
09-28-2011 6:14 PM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
Actually they didn't ask back during the Vietnam War, when I enlisted.
Most of the homo or bisexuals who were put out during the period fro m the Vietnam War to DADT, were found out when they were accused of being a homosexual by another service member, and were then asked directly, they could either deny it and maybe get away with it or confirm it and be discharged. Some were caught engaging in homosexual acts and were similarly discharged.
Edited by bluescat48, : typos

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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fearandloathing
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Message 124 of 136 (635442)
09-29-2011 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by bluescat48
09-29-2011 12:55 AM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
Actually they didn't ask back during the Vietnam War, when I enlisted.
quote:
During the Vietnam War, some men pretended to be gay in order to avoid the draft. However, a significant number of gay and bisexual men and women did manage to avoid the pre-screening process and serve in the military, some with special distinction.
I am not sure what the pre-screening process entailed? I assumed it was a direct question in some psychological test. Maybe it wasn't a direct question but the above implies they did actively attempt to find out if you were gay or not.
As I have said before, I never really knew much about our military's policy prior to DADT. Thanks for a little more enlightenment.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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fearandloathing
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Message 125 of 136 (661489)
05-06-2012 6:54 PM


Amendment 1/ Racist?
Seems another "good Christian" shows their true colors....(pun intended)... discriminatory racist bigotry.
Chad Nance, a Winston-Salem freelance journalist who is currently active in electoral campaigning, says poll workers outside the early voting site at the Forsyth County Government Center in downtown Winston-Salem reported to him that the wife of NC Sen. Peter Brunstetter remarked today that her husband sponsored legislation to put the marriage amendment on the primary ballot to protect the Caucasian race.
Nance said he recorded a conversation with the woman, whose name is Jodie Brunstetter, on video, and that she confirmed that she used the term Caucasian in a discussion about the marriage amendment, but insisted that otherwise her comments had been taken out of context by other poll workers.
The YES! Weekly Blog: Racialized remark about marriage amendment attributed to state senator's wife
I would love for her to explain how she used the word "Caucasian" and not have been being racist?
How does being, or not, Caucasian have anything to do with amendment 1. North Carolina Senate Bill 514 - Wikipedia(2011)
Of course I live in a state where it is perfectly legal to marry your first cousin... (as long is isn't a double cousin) so I guess all bets are off.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Message 126 of 136 (661490)
05-06-2012 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by fearandloathing
09-29-2011 9:10 AM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
Just saw this one.
When I enlisted in 1976, a few years after the draft was discontinued and we transitioned to an all-volunteer force, part of the medical exam included the doctor asking us directly whether we had ever had sex with a man. I would assume that that question wasn't asked during 'Nam because the need for warm bodies was much higher back then.
Although I never encountered any such situations during my service, what I recall is that getting caught in the act or otherwise found-out would result in immediate discharge. When the dropping of DADT was first announced, our Command Master Chief's reaction was "well it's about time!", and he described the atmosphere before DADT as being a series of witch-hunts, wherein if your command in any way suspected that you might be a homosexual, then they could and often would actively and aggressively investigate you. Trivial "evidence" could cause you to be suspected, such as disinterest in sports or appreciation of the fine arts -- one historical account tells of civilian vice police arresting suspected homosexuals because they overheard them discussing the opera.
I find the harsh criticism of DADT irritating, because those critics ignored what it was like before DADT. What DADT did was to eliminate the witch-hunts, the active attempts to ferret out any potential homosexuals. The only real criticism of DADT was that it didn't go far enough. And now that short-coming has also been corrected.

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dwise1
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Message 127 of 136 (661493)
05-06-2012 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by fearandloathing
05-06-2012 6:54 PM


Re: Amendment 1/ Racist?
What I don't get is just how a bill outlawing same-sex marriage is supposed to preserve the Caucasian race. The only way I can think of for that to be the case would be if it also banned inter-racial marriage, which I don't think it does.
Or is the belief of those Caucasians behind this bill that Caucasians are much more likely to be gay than members of the other races?

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fearandloathing
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Message 128 of 136 (661494)
05-06-2012 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by dwise1
05-06-2012 8:15 PM


Re: Amendment 1/ Racist?
I really think she is just a dumb twit who was politicking. She was saying what she thought the other person wanted to hear. (not a smart move for the wife of a senator)
In the big picture though it speaks volumes about how far some people are willing to go in order to push their agenda forward.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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NoNukes
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Message 129 of 136 (661497)
05-06-2012 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by fearandloathing
05-06-2012 6:54 PM


Re: Amendment 1/ Racist?
I would love for her to explain how she used the word "Caucasian" and not have been being racist?
No question that the usage was racist/xenophobic. But I think the idea is not that Caucasian's are gay in larger numbers than others. More likely, the idea is that Caucasians must multiply as quickly as possible in order to overcome the projected population increases from other segments of the population. I think you can complete the hypothetical xenophobic scenario without any additional help from me.
I spent some time over the last couple of months at the home of a near octogenarian who watches nothing but sports and religious television (TCT) at least 12 hours a day. On particular show on TCT featured local pastors spewing homophobic bile, in an effort to drum up support for 'Amendment One'. One pastor sprayed that simply contemplating that he might be standing next to a man who was attracted to men made him want to throw up. Another pastor ranted that the amendment would make it less likely that he would be convicted of a hate speech crime simply for preaching his normal sermons.
I believe that sentiments of these kinds are more typical of the reasons why people support amendment one. And those sentiments are also reflective of the reason why we have a constitution with a bill of rights. There is simply no protection for a minority group when the majority can strip them of their rights with a simple 50.001/49.999 vote.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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fearandloathing
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Message 130 of 136 (661498)
05-06-2012 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by NoNukes
05-06-2012 9:39 PM


Re: Amendment 1/ Racist?
No question that the usage was racist/xenophobic
I agree.
But I think the idea is not that Caucasian's are gay in larger numbers than others
Of course not, she was simply politicking... Tell the people what they want. She just didn't keep her audiences separated well enough.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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bluescat48
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Message 131 of 136 (661597)
05-08-2012 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by dwise1
05-06-2012 8:06 PM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
The biggest problem with DADT was that it still made homosexuality and bisexuality illegal. It may have quelled the witch hunts, but if found out the soldiers were still discharged.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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fearandloathing
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Message 132 of 136 (661603)
05-08-2012 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by bluescat48
05-08-2012 12:33 PM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
quote:
A board member for an Ohio regional Boy Scouts group who resigned to protest the removal of a lesbian den mother said he wants the national organization to review its ban on gays.
The Boy Scouts of America's policy of not allowing gays within its ranks has been debated for more than a decade since being upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. It is facing renewed questioning in Ohio after Jennifer Tyrrell, the mother of a 7-year-old scout, was thrown out in April.
Associated Press
Your comment about being thrown out after being found out.....
if found out the soldiers were still discharged.
...made me think of this piece on the den mother.
I think it is time to address all the discrimination that goes on against GLBT people. How is it any different if the boy scouts would say no black or Jewish den mothers?
This, gay rights, should probably be its own topic, though I feel it is a non-topic unless somebody can explain how it is not discrimination to exclude gay people from the Boy Scouts, essetially they still operate under a type of don't tell policy.
It also applies to atheist.
quote:
The Boy Scouts of America (BSA), one of the largest private youth organizations in the United States, has policies which prohibit atheists and agnostics from membership in its Scouting program, and prohibit "avowed" homosexual people from leadership roles in its Scouting program as directly violating its fundamental principles and tenets. BSA has denied or revoked membership status or leadership positions of youths and adults for violation of these foundational principles.
Wikipedia
ABE.... based on who can and can't be a boy scout I don't see much difference in them and the KKK or other white supremacy type groups. Homeland security should watch these deviants....
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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bluescat48
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Message 133 of 136 (661604)
05-08-2012 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by fearandloathing
05-08-2012 3:35 PM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
I fully agree

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 134 of 136 (661628)
05-08-2012 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by fearandloathing
05-08-2012 3:35 PM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
its a private organization they can do what they want, and can have the members they wish to have.
How is it any different if the boy scouts would say no black or Jewish den mothers?
It's not, they could refuse them as well.

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Rahvin
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Message 135 of 136 (661635)
05-08-2012 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by fearandloathing
05-08-2012 3:35 PM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
ABE.... based on who can and can't be a boy scout I don't see much difference in them and the KKK or other white supremacy type groups. Homeland security should watch these deviants....
The immediate reason that springs to mind is that, while the Boy Scout policies are most certainly bigoted and immoral, they do not use or foment the use of violence to express their bigotry.
The KKK has a rather violent history, in comparison.
Homeland Security is interested in domestic terrorism like lynch mobs or temple bombings, not bigotry. They track the Klan because of their history of domestic terrorism, not because they're a bunch of racists.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
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variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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