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Author Topic:   Did Dinosaurs live with man?
vimesey
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05-18-2012 5:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ScottyDouglas
05-18-2012 3:55 AM


Hi there Scotty - I'm no natrual historian, nor a scientist with any expertise in dating fossils, and so I will leave to someone else running through our ability to date dinosaur fossils with a strong degree of certainty. I just wanted to address some of the points you make in your post.
Many cultures have used images of dinosaurs and dragons.
Dragons, yes. They are a widespread cultural phenomenon. But I am not aware of many cultures using images of T-Rex's, pterodactyls, diplodoci, triceratops etc. (Modern comics and films, yes, but not in the sense of ancient cultures, which you imply). Do you have any examples of actual dinosaurs being represented, as distinct from fanciful mythological beasts ? After all, if ancient man did wander around with dinosaurs as you contend, it would be odd if they didn't get the details right of even one actual dinosaur on any paintings they did. They were quite good with bison in the cave paintings at Lascaux, for example.
We will start with the history's most recorded book the Bible
This one has been done to death on these boards, but just because something is written in a book, does not make it evidence. Just because that book might be "history's most recorded" (I'm not too sure what you mean by that) does not change the fact that what is written in it is not evidence. Lots of things are written in books - some of it useful, some of it rubbish. To work out which is which, you have to look at external evidence - the fact that the words are written in a book (the original language of which, by the way, is dead, and the translation of which is subject to much debate) is neither here nor there.
This is clearly refering to a large animal that is simliar to what we know as dinosaurs.
"This is clearly referring to a large animal" - yep, I'd agree with that statement. "that is similar to what we know as dinosaurs" - nope, I don't see that you can draw that conclusion from the text you quote. There is nowhere near sufficient detail to say that. As far as I can make out, we can determine that the animal in question was seen to be strong, have strong bones, liked to lie in the shade and drank a lot of water. That description does apply to many dinosaurs, but it also applies to numerous other types of animal. To conclude that the bible described a dinosaur, you would have to be able to eliminate all other animals. On the text you quote, you can't make that elimination.
The legend of dragons is in almost every culture in human history.
It's certainly in quite a few of them, no argument there. However, no cultural representation of a dragon is even a fair approximation of an actual dinosaur. Not many dinosaurs flew, and those that did look nothing like any cultural dragons. In fact, if you go back further in history, dragons look much less like heavily bodied and limbed reptiles, and more like serpents. (With wings and fire breath added in, yes, but hey). There is no clearer link between dinosaurs and dragons than there is between modern day reptiles and dragons (snakes, crocodiles, kimodo dragons etc). The myths of dragons can easily have arisen from those modern day reptiles. For mythological beasts to be evidence of what you state (and to be fair, you have to concede that using mythological beasts as any form of evidence is pretty thin), then you are going to have to eliminate the possibility that the myths arose from modern reptiles.
The truth is undeniable!
Ica, Peru - Nazca Indians 1 ad to 750 ad Ica stones
You're going to need to be careful with this one Scotty - the Ica stones were hoaxes (and really obvious ones at that - I mean, ok, the farmer was working with pretty basic stuff, but they are so obvious).
It would not be hard to believe that dinosaurs once lived with man. That dinosaurs went into the ark with Noah and tried to populate again. Though with many trees and grasslands hurt by the flood food would be scarce. Men could have easliy killed off modt of the dinosaurs for food, game, and because dinosaurs could have been a problem.
Yeah, you're speculating here Scotty - you promised us evidence.
Many can claim that dinosaurs are millions of years old but thier are a few things in the fossil record that show different.
Can you list those things please ?

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vimesey
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04-23-2013 9:21 AM


Plus ca change...
I doodled this in response to some contributions on another thread from our feline visitor. Not a lot changes.
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Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

  
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