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ScottyDouglas
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Message 1 of 373 (662696)
05-18-2012 3:55 AM


Did dinosaurs live amoungst men?
If so then this would put a large hole in the evolutionary theory.
The recordings of dinosaur like creatures have been recorded for thousands of years. Many cultures have used images of dinosaurs and dragons.
I will post many evidences of dinosaurs with modern and acient man.
Design?evolution?creation?
Today most people are taught that the dinosaurs roamed the earth 65 million years ago. Then over millions of years these dinosaurs evolved into living species of today. Though this history that is taught does not comply with actual history an the known geological record. It gives no account of the mass amounts of fossil graveyards. Nor does it explain the amounts of the animals found in that same fossil record are still alive today.
Here you will be presented with evidence that dinosaurs existed with man. There is much evidence to verify that acient man encountered dinosaurs. There is also evidence that can show that some serviving dinosaurs could be still alive today.
We will start with the history's most recorded book the Bible:
KJV-R (Webster) Job 40:15 "Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are asstrong pieces of brass; his bones arelike bars of iron.
19 He isthe chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him withtheir shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, andhasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: hisnose pierceth through snares."
This is clearly refering to a large animal that is simliar to what we know as dinosaurs.
The legend of dragons is in almost every culture in human history. Our perception to what is today called dinosaurs what a word that was only started to be used in the late 1800's. In the 'Hostoria Animalium' records that still in the 1500's dragons still lived though extremely rare. In 1572 Vlysses Aldrovandvs described a dragon being killed by a farmer thsi animal was like the Tanystropheus. In the tales of Gilgamesh were he killed a huge reptile like animal that ate trees and took its head. In acient China thousands of stories of dragons appear. Dragons are a huge part of thier culture. A legendary stroy of Yu killing dragons and reptiles from his land. Many stories tell of cultures rasing and keeping dragons. in Ireland 900ad
tells of a iron like beast with great spikes on its tail and it was bigger than a rhyno similar to a Stegosaurus. Herodotus a famous Greek exsplorer recorded small flying reptiles in Eygpt and Arabia that were multi colored and similar to Ramphorhynchus. In Natural history by Pliny 70 ad "Africa produces elephants but it is in India that produces the largest, as well as the dragon." Claudius Aelians in 200ad wrote,"The Phrygian history also states that dragons are born which reach ten paces in length." Marco Polo in 1271 ad recorded that the Chinese emporer had large reptiles or dargons that pulled his chariot. He writes in Travels of Marco Polo,"Here are seen huge serpents, ten paces in length and ten spans in girth. At the fore part, near the head, they have two short legs, having three claws like those of a tiger, with eyes larger than a pennyloaf. The jaws are wide enough to swallow a man. Thier appearance is so formiable that no amn or animal approach them." Anglo-Saxon Chronicle AD 793,'there were immense sheets of light terrifying the people, rushing through the air, whirlwinds, fiery dragons flying accorss the sky.' Alexander the Great, said when he came to India in 326 bc, his soldiers were scared by great dragons that dwelt in caves. In 275 ad George of Lybia guard in Rome killed a dragon. Many dragons and Dinosaur like creatures have been reported throughout many cultures and peoples.
Physical evidence that dinosaurs lived with man!
The truth is undeniable!
Ica, Peru - Nazca Indians 1 ad to 750 ad Ica stones
This culture produced many crafts and artwork. This culture produced massive amounts of carvings and painting that have actual well known dinosaurs on them. These are well recorded acient discoveries that relate that dinosaurs and large ones were a everyday exsperience to these people.
in 1535 Spanish came through Peru and reported finding stones with strange creatures on them.
In Mexico over 56 thousand clay figurines were found all depicting dinosaurs. The age of these figurines are around 2000 bc.
It is well known that the Aztecs portrayed serpents and dragons in thier culture.
Many people today still claim seeing an array of long ago exstinct dinosaurs.
There has been a T-rex found with actual blood vessels and dna intact. After millions of years these things should not be still intact.
It would not be hard to believe that dinosaurs once lived with man. That dinosaurs went into the ark with Noah and tried to populate again. Though with many trees and grasslands hurt by the flood food would be scarce. Men could have easliy killed off modt of the dinosaurs for food, game, and because dinosaurs could have been a problem.
Our fossil records that record dinosaurs are filled with species of both tree and animals that were long ago thought to be exstinct. There are many planets and species that are in the same fossil bed as dinosaurs. Many can claim that dinosaurs are millions of years old but thier are a few things in the fossil record that show different.

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ScottyDouglas
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Message 13 of 373 (662731)
05-18-2012 1:45 PM
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05-18-2012 7:27 AM


Would Dinosaurs and humans live in the same place? If dinosaurs were big and furious would man and them live next door?

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ScottyDouglas
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Message 14 of 373 (662733)
05-18-2012 1:50 PM
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05-18-2012 12:01 PM


Again appling that some how people like Christopher columbus and Marco Polo who wrote about such beats did not know what they were describing or talking about? That seems like science today assumes that they are the only ones who knew and can properly describe a dinosaur. Stick to your gunns till the end because IF dinos walked with man darwins evolution theory is done. That also means all your dating and knowledge you proclaim throughout the world is false.
But yes more evidence coming up!!
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ScottyDouglas
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Message 17 of 373 (662741)
05-18-2012 2:34 PM
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05-18-2012 1:52 PM


"We have been looking at the fossil record as a general test of the notion that life has evolved: to falsify that general idea, we would have to show that forms of life we considered more advanced appear earlier than the simpler forms." (Monkey Business, p.46, 1982)
Paleobiologist Mary Schweitzer has defied the long-held belief that it is fruitless to search for preserved soft tissues in dinosaur remains. Most experts thought that such structures would have decayed and vanished long ago, but Schweitzer has found evidence of delicate structures such as blood vessels and red blood cells that have survived for millions of years.
Blood vessels recovered from T. rex bone | New Scientist
T. Rex Blood? | NOVA | PBS
Dinosaur Shocker | Science| Smithsonian Magazine
1.Schweitzer, M. H., J. L. Wittmeyer, J. R. Horner, J. K. Toporski. 2005. Soft-Tissue Vessels and Cellular Preservation in Tyrannosaurus rex. Science 307: 1952-1955.
2.Schweitzer, M. H.. 2005. Personal correspondence.
3.Schweitzer, M.H., Z. Suo, R. Avci, J.M. Asara, M.A. Allen, F. Teran Arce, and J.R. Horner. 2007. Analyses of soft tissue from Tyrannosaurus rex suggest the presence of protein. Science 316: 277-280.
4.Asara, J.M., M.H. Schweitzer, M.P. Phillips, L.M. Freimark, and L.C. Cantley. 2007. Protein sequences from mastodon (Mammut americanum) and dinosaur (Tyrannosaurus rex) revealed by mass spectrometry. Science 316:280-284.
Though I must admit that Ica stones were claimed a Hoax. By the maker. My problem is why didnt artifact dating was not able to properly date these stones. By dating they unable to prove it was acient or not. Only the creator admission was anyone able to find this out. Not by dating.
Richard Dawkins, of Oxford has this to say "alleged human bones in the Carboniferous coal deposits. If authenticated as human, these bones would blow the theory of evolution out of the water." (Free Inquiry, V.21, No.4, 10/11/2001)
FIGURE 1. These are photos from the AD 2004 fossil dinosaur and human footprint excavation. About 100 pristine fossil human footprints with hundreds of dinosaur fossil human footprints have been excavated together since 1982 and witnessed by 100's of scientists, teachers and other volunteers. This ledge is about eight feet above the Paluxy River TX. in ancient Cretaceous limestone rock, formerly limy mud. This is one of many excavations since 1982.
The above four photos were taken at the excavation On the Cretaceous Rock ledges along the Paluxy River, five miles S.W. of Glen Rose Texas along Rt. 202. It is 2 miles S.W. of the bridge spanning the Paluxy River & the Creation Evidences Museum. The city of Glen Rose is 65 miles S.W. of Dallas - Ft. Worth Metro area on Rt. 67. The above photos were taken during the annual five day early July 2004 excavation; in recent years a team of four or five men prepare the chosen site every year generally by removing the top rock by back hoe before the volunteers arrive. In 1982 when the first discoveries were made the rocks were generally removed by pneumatic drills, crow-bars and car jacks.
FIGURE 2. This 11 inch long fossil human footprint impression shown above was excavated on July 6, 1983 by Dr. Carl Baugh who then lived in Missouri. Hugh Miller and sons Kevin, Brian and Matt Miller along with Jeff Green drove from Columbus Ohio to participate from July 4 to July 6. Jeff is a nephew of Flavil Miller who in 1983 lived in Byesville OH and was the founder and president of the Creation Research Science Education Foundation that sponsored this expedition in 1983. This footprint is the third ichnite in a trail of five excavated from 1983 and 1988. It was the best of the five showing distinct toe tips, distinct heel prints, and aspect ratios characteristic of the human foot.
FIGURE 3. This right handprint in cretaceous limestone was so unique and so obviously human that the archaeologist in charge of the excavation was given permission by the land owner to remove this ichnite for further evaluation. The measurements are in Figure 4 and the details a bit more clear. The person making the impression apparently balanced himself with his right hand when reaching for something with his left as the thumb is stretched out as is the little finger.
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You deny the evidence and claim lack there of. Simple reality is: that mass amounts of civilzations throughout history have cliamed giant men and dinosaur and/or dragons. We some claim that because acients describe dinosaurs as dragons it some how deminishes the creditability when it does not. Modern scientist, evolutionist, and in general media and government through away the acient recordings of what was seen. Today we dont have dinosaurs that is clear. In remote places certain types are reportes and brushed off cause dinos are exstinct. For the most part they sure are and probably for good reason. Dinosaur bones with other fossils that should not be there it is reported and then sometimes lookdown upon or dismissed all together. Then we have many and I myself have posted ones that I didnt know were hoaxes or not. I admit. I just know a general censes of whats truth and what is not without massive study and expertise. I am saved. I enjoy discussing topics. This is a topic I am so heated on not because animals or dinosaurs or giants because I really do not care. I am concerned about men claiming and thinking that You, Me, and every man that has lived was not always men, did not always have a soul, did not always have freewill, did not always have emotion. Thats my problem. Minimizing man and his great abilities. I could understand hating God and not believing in one. But you take your importance away as being a Man by thinking or hinting that you are just a mutated evolved animal.
This would into believing things are growing better when we are growing worse. We are declining not inclining. We devolve not evolve.
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ScottyDouglas
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Message 27 of 373 (662779)
05-18-2012 4:55 PM
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05-18-2012 3:26 PM


Marco Polo : Travels of Marco Polo book 2
"Leaving the city of Yachi, and traveling ten days in a westerly direction, you reach the province of Karazan, which is also the name of the chief city....Here are seen huge serpents, ten paces in length (about 30 feet), and ten spans (about 8 feet) girt of the body. At the fore part, near the head, they have two short legs, having three claws like those of a tiger, with eyes larger than a forepenny loaf (pane da quattro denari) and very glaring."
The jaws are wide enough to swallow a man, the teeth are large and sharp, and their whole appearance is so formidable, that neither man, nor any kind of animal can approach them without terror. Others are met with of a smaller size, being eight, six, or 5 paces long; and the following method is used for taking them. In the day-time, by reason of great heat, they lurk in caverns, from whence, at night, they issue to seek their food, and whatever beast they meet with and can lay hold of, whether tiger, wolf, or any other, they devour;"
Columbus: In his diary entry for 21 October 1492, Columbus reported killing and skinning a 'serpent' measuring almost 5 ft long that he had seen entering a lake on the Bahamian island which he later dubbed Isabela. Another of these 'serpents', of similar size, was killed at a different lake on that same island a day later, this time by Martin Alonso Pinzon - the captain of one of Columbus's ships, the Pinta.
ShukerNature: CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS AND THE SKINNED 'SERPENT'
ADMIRAL RICHARD B. BYRD'S DIARY (FEB - MAR.1947)
(The Inner Earth : My Secret Diary)
THE LAND BEYOND THE POLES - THE EXPLORATION FLIGHT OVER THE NORTH POLE.
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I must write this diary in secrecy and obscurity. It concerns my Arctic flight of the nineteenth day of February in the year of Nineteen and Forty Seven.
There comes a time when the rationality of men must fade into insignificance and one must accept the inevitability of the Truth! am not at liberty to disclose the following documentation at this writing... perhaps it shall never see the light of public scrutiny,but I must do my duty and record here for all to read one day. In a world of greed and exploitation of certain of mankind, one can no longer suppress that which is truth.
1. FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC, 2119/1947
0600 HOURS - All preparations are complete for our flight north ward and we are airborne with full fuel tanks at 0610 Hours.....
0910 HOURS - Vast Ice and snow below, note coloration of yellowish nature, and dispersed in a linear pattern. Altering course for a better examination of this color pattern below, note reddish or purple color also. Circle this area two full turns and return to assigned compass heading. Position check made again to base camp, and relay information concerning colorations in the Ice and snow below.
0910 HOURS - Both Magnetic and Gyro compasses beginning to gyrate and wobble, we are unable to hold our heading by instrumentation. Take bearing with Sun compass, yet all seems well. The controls are seemingly slow to respond and have sluggish quality, but there is no indication of Icing!
0915 HOURS - In the distance is what appears to be mountains.
0949 HOURS -29 minutes elapsed flight time from the first sighting of the mountains, it is no illusion. They are mountains and consisting of a small range that I have never seen before!
0955 HOURS - Altitude change to 2950 feet, encountering strong turbulence again.
2. 1000 HOURS - We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. ...
1.To this point, Ch.7, pg. 80.
2.To this point, Ch.7, pg. 81.
1140 HOURS - Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!
1.1145 HOURS - I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair.
2.In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply.
END LOG
3. MARCH 11, 1947
I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been advised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty-nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal! I am placed under strict control via the national security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY! Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man I must obey orders....
In further confirmation of Admiral Byrd's discovery are reports of individuals who claimed they had entered the north polar opening, as many Arctic explorers did without knowing they did, and penetrated far enough into it to reach the Subterranean World in the hollow interior of the Earth. Dr. Nephi Cottom of Los Angeles reported that one of his patients, a man of Nordic descent, told him the following story:
"I lived near the Arctic Circle in Norway. One summer my friend and I made up our minds to take a boat trip together, and go as far as we could into the north country. So we put one month's food provisions in a small fishing boat, and with sail and also a good engine in our boat, we set to sea.
4. At the end of one month we had travelled far into the north, beyond the Pole and into a strange new country. We were much astonished at the weather there. Warm, and at times at night it was almost too warm to sleep. Then we saw something so strange that we both were astonished. Ahead of the warm open sea we were on what looked like a great mountain. Into that mountain at a certain point the ocean seemed to be emptying. Mystified, we continued in that direction and found ourselves sailing into a vast canyon leading into the interior of the earth. We kept sailing and then we saw what surprised us - a sun shining inside the earth!
5. Several of the inner earth inhabitants - huge giants - detected our boat on the river, and were quite amazed...
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ScottyDouglas
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Message 39 of 373 (662802)
05-18-2012 7:41 PM
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05-18-2012 5:11 PM


Re: North Pole Hole?
Looking at it from one side it is!

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