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Jzyehoshua
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Message 223 of 313 (663668)
05-26-2012 4:04 AM


All networks biased
Seems like all networks reveal their political biases most during the Primetime viewing slots about 6-9 PM CST. What bugs me is that FOX News gets singled out for being right-wing when the others are left-wing. Look at who CNN and NBC/MSNBC have on at 7-9 PM, the same time O'Reilly, Hannity, and Bret Baier are on. CNN has Anderson Cooper, Piers Morgan, and Erin Burnett. MSNBC has Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, and Rachel Maddow (and used to have Keith Olbermann until recently). CBS News has Steve Kroft and Lesley Stahl (big improvement over Dan Rather). ABC News has Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopolous. Comedy Central has Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart.
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My point is, the other networks slant left as clearly as FOX News does to the right. They run politically opinionated programming like FOX News does, just to the left, not the right (e.g. Anderson Cooper, Piers Morgan, Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Diane Sawyer, George Stephanopolous, Stephen Colbert, Keith Olbermann, Dan Rather, and Jon Stewart). The exceptions might be Erin Burnett for CNN and the Kroft/Stahl combination for CBS's 60 Minutes (which may not be liberal, but they replaced Dan Rather, who DEFINITELY was).
Until other networks start airing both conservative and liberal commentators instead of just all liberals, it's hard for me to take seriously the attacks on FOX News as anything other than liberally-motivated propaganda hypocritically ignoring the political motivations of the other news infotainment networks. They all have biases and anyone should be able to recognize pretty clearly where these lie.
Also, the reason FOX gets so many viewers is that it's gaining the whole conservative vote, while the other networks are all fighting among themselves for the liberal vote. I bet if you added up CNN, MSNBC, CBS, and ABC, you'd get about the same total that FOX has. That to me suggests they are all on one side of the political spectrum and FOX on the other.

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Jzyehoshua
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Message 225 of 313 (663684)
05-26-2012 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by frako
05-26-2012 5:20 AM


Re: All networks biased
Well, it can be decisively shown how liberal the media in general is to the general public. Take for example the following:
-2004 Pew Research Center State of the News Media. Showed 34% of the national press and 23% of the local press are liberal to just 20% of the general public, and 7% of the national press and 12% of the local press are conservative to 33% of the general public. Not only does it show the media is far more liberal than average Americans, but this is even more extreme at the national than local level due apparently to bias in the national ranks for promotion opportunities.
IV. Values and the Press | Pew Research Center
-According to the 2008 Color of News report by the Pew Research Center, only FOX was equally critical of both Obama and McCain (40% negative). MSNBC was 73% negative of McCain but just 14% negative of Obama, while CNN was 61% negative of McCain to just 39% negative for Obama.
Cable -- Three Different Networks, Three Different Perspectives | Pew Research Center
There was another study as well showing the overall amount of reporting on Obama was far greater than on McCain as well, but that one is always tougher to find.
Edited by Jzyehoshua, : No reason given.

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Jzyehoshua
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Message 227 of 313 (663691)
05-26-2012 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Dr Adequate
05-26-2012 5:54 AM


Re: All networks biased
Still, Bernard Goldberg wrote his book 'Bias' several years ago about how networks like his own CBS (where he worked for decades) tilt the news to the left, identifying conservatives as radical conservatives but never identifying a radical liberal as such, and bashing men yet never criticizing women. They've got liberal and feminist biases that appear on closer scrutiny even if not as blatant as FOX News. Just because they're more subtle with their bias makes it no less serious or equivalent.

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Jzyehoshua
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Message 230 of 313 (663711)
05-26-2012 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by RAZD
05-26-2012 6:49 AM


Re: All networks biased
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Did you add up the percentages? You must have omitted a lot of people in the middle to pit one extreme against the other this way. Is that also why an 8 year old study is used?
I didn't mention the Moderates (54% of national press, 61% of local press, and 41% of General Public) because I didn't see it as that necessary. All 3 groups, National Press, Local Press, and General Public add up to 100%. I gave the link, the chart's not that hard to find there.
I used a 2004 study because the Pew Research Center hasn't followed up on the question since then. It caused controversy with groups like Newsbusters trumpeting the find as evidence of the liberal media, and the PRC hasn't asked the question since, unfortunately.
This showed self-identification of journalists. It shows that both moderates and conservatives are at higher levels in the local press than national, and are thus being kept out of the upper ranks, rather than given promotion. That's a solid statistical evidence of liberal bias in media promotion, similar to evidence of racial profiling and racism in the workplace requiring Affirmative Action. It shows far fewer conservatives are allowed into the national press and the press in general than are found in the general public.

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Jzyehoshua
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Message 231 of 313 (663716)
05-26-2012 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by frako
05-26-2012 6:18 AM


Re: All networks biased
Agreed, everyone has their own opinions and points of view. Still, I would argue commentary on other networks is just as consistently liberal as FOX's is conservative, when you look at Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, Piers Morgan, or Chris Matthews. To any conservative that bias is undeniable. Matthews and Olbermann were obviously fawning over Obama from the start, with Matthews even getting a 'chill' up his leg over the candidate.
I don't think FOX is more biased than MSNBC by any stretch of the imagination. It arguably is less extreme than MSNBC since at least it has a few commentators from the other side like Juan Williams and Alan Colmes, where I don't think MSNBC has any who are even moderate.
I think this is just a case of it being less apparent where bias occurs when it's on your side. Someone who is liberal won't recognize liberal bias as readily because they agree with it and it just seems normal. Likewise with a conservative, they won't consider it conservative bias since for them it's their view, and they view their beliefs as the norm.

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Jzyehoshua
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Message 234 of 313 (663783)
05-26-2012 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by frako
05-26-2012 8:05 AM


Re: All networks biased
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If you go by that standard then the best news show would be real time with bill Maher. He usualy has people form all sides on his show. So he should be completely unbiased right?
Thing is he actually is unbiased at what he reports, the problem is he only reports the nutjob republicans and the stupid things they do. I atcually love the show and watch it regulary but not because of the "news" because he shows the world how fucked up people in america are.
I am willing to admit that the liberal media is biased but if the liberal media can be called biased then Fox news should be called liars. Because liberal media still reports facts they may have their own opinions on these facts but facts are still facts. Fox news makes shit up and lies and reports that as it where true. I was willing to call that bias but if you insist on using such a deteiled scale for bias then liberal media falls in to the bias category but fox news falls in to the liar liar pants on fire category.
I haven't watched Bill Maher's show before but I will definitely have to look into it, as that's what I always thought should happen, having polar opposite sides debate the issues. Not necessarily Republicans and Democrats either but Pro-Life and Pro-Choice or Creationism and Evolution.
He could still be biased in the sense of having opinions and strong beliefs, but a willingness to let opposing sides debate would show a strong level of objectivity and fair-mindedness, assuming of course he's accurately representing both sides and not just cherry-picking one side's bad opponents. Again, I'm not familiar with the show so I wouldn't know.
CNN though has done the same thing as far as making stuff up and reporting it as true. For example, their reporter Susan Roethsgen used a fake Tea Party plant to make the movement look bad. After the interview Tea Party supporters confronted her and it got caught on video, where they asked why she deliberately interviewed a fake who left right afterward, and that she was trying to make them look bad.
Afterwards, CNN made a pretense at getting rid of Roethsgen by not renewing her contract, but brought her back once the controversy died on. By no means do I view FOX News with a halo and I get disgusted with their biased reporting at times too (especially on economics and trickle-down/invisible hand stuff) but to say CNN and MSNBC aren't equally guilty seems to me ridiculous.

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