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frako
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Message 76 of 150 (667357)
07-06-2012 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Buzsaw
07-06-2012 8:01 AM


Re: Other Factors
Frako, if you re-read, you'll note that I cited the two as the two biggies that tick God off.
No i cited the biggies you know the stuff he wrote in stone you should not do, gays are mentioned by some bigots later, the ones i cited came directly from the horses mouth.
And you still have not shown a graph that shows a significant increase in disasters, if i make one and it shows no significant increase you will probably dismiss it on the spot so i want you to do it look at the actual data so you can see with your own eyes that there is no increase in any kind of disasters.

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Message 77 of 150 (667358)
07-06-2012 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Buzsaw
07-05-2012 10:09 PM


Re: Nothing Pertaining To Buzsaw Here.
There's nothing in the OP pertaing to me. This thread as strictly about Jehovah the biblical god's Abrahamic Covenant and his views on his messianic nation, Israel and sodomy.
There is nothing, whatsover about me or my views.
Buzz, you are one big, massive, fuck off, Poe.
I honestly can't take anything you say seriously.
Either that or you are a massive twat.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
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The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
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Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
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Message 78 of 150 (667359)
07-06-2012 11:00 AM
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07-06-2012 10:50 AM


Re: Other Factors
frako writes:
And you still have not shown a graph that shows a significant increase in disasters, if i make one and it shows no significant increase you will probably dismiss it on the spot so i want you to do it look at the actual data so you can see with your own eyes that there is no increase in any kind of disasters.
If Buz is true to form, he should soon start claiming that he has already provided evidence.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

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Message 79 of 150 (667360)
07-06-2012 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Buzsaw
07-06-2012 8:01 AM


Re: Other Factors
Go to a Chinese Restaurant. How many obese staff do see in them? There is an epidemic of obesity among junk food consuming adults and children alike in our nation. We destroy our bodies with junk, all he while putting the best in our automobiles, so much so that our health care facilities are unable to accomodate it all.
Finally you say something I 100% agree with. These fatty fat fats are truly a disgusting breed of modern homo-sapiens. The movie theaters had to make the seats bigger for them. The buses and subways had to make the seats bigger. Airplanes too. Automobiles have to be SUV's to accommodate the entire family of fatties when they take their daily trips to Pizza Hut and for ice cream after.
God is CLEARLY punishing us with an abundance of food, drinks and comfortable homes where we can just lay back and watch TV in air conditioning.
How can we fix this?
- Oni
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Message 80 of 150 (667362)
07-06-2012 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Buzsaw
07-06-2012 8:01 AM


Re: Other Factors
We are the richest but one of the sickest among nations. Go to a Chinese Restaurant. How many obese staff do see in them? There is an epidemic of obesity among junk food consuming adults and children alike in our nation. We destroy our bodies with junk, all he while putting the best in our automobiles, so much so that our health care facilities are unable to accomodate it all.
And if we'd gorged ourselves on hamburgers that fell out of the sky, then we could blame God for it.
However, if you're determined to hold obesity up as an example of God's wrath, then this has the interesting consequence that we would be able to tell who God loves and who he hates just by looking at them.
Here's Rush Limbaugh, staunch opponent of gay marriage and serial heterosexual:
And here's Dan Savage, flaming "sodomite" and noted gay rights activist:
Now, who has God smitten with surplus calories?

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Dirk
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Message 81 of 150 (667364)
07-06-2012 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Huntard
07-06-2012 6:32 AM


Re: About earthquakes in The Netherands...
This was before we introduced the possibilities for gay people to get married, so it seems god likes what we did.
Not necessarily, since we have already established that god punishes in advance (Message 9). But if he sends only a 5.8 for gay marriage, I would agree that he is actually quite ok with it nowadays, especially compared to what he did to Sodom and Gomorrah a couple of millennia ago.

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Message 82 of 150 (667367)
07-06-2012 12:42 PM
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07-06-2012 12:36 PM


Re: About earthquakes in The Netherands...
But if he sends only a 5.8 for gay marriage, I would agree that he is actually quite ok with it nowadays, especially compared to what he did to Sodom and Gomorrah a couple of millennia ago.
If we extrapolate that progression, it won't be long before we should expect to see blessings rained down on countries that have lotsa teh ghey.

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Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 83 of 150 (667370)
07-06-2012 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Percy
07-06-2012 6:53 AM


Re: Disasters
I guess since you say "printed" you're referring to paper money, ...
Rather an odd nit-picking quibble. If you can think of a single verb that would apply to both coins and paper money, then why not suggest it?
It is still a solid fact that the law requiring "In God We Trust" appear on all US currency, both paper and coin, was passed in 1955; full implementation was not achieved until the Kennedy Administration. The fact that it had also appeard sporadically during and after the Civil War does not in any way negate the solid fact of the 1955 federal law.
I had known about the Civil War origins of the practice ever since the mid-1980's when I first learning about the events of the mid-1950's. As I posted on CompuServe on 10 November 1992:
quote:
One documentary shown on PBS included a film clip of a Boy Scout giving the Pledge of Allegience. I knew that that clip predated 1954 because he said "one nation, indivisible". Those words are a testament to the unity of our nation. Then in 1954 (One NINE Five Four), in an act of great symbolic importance (unknown to them), Congress divided those words with "under God". Since that symbolic dissolution of our national unity, things have been going downhill (if you doubt that, just ask any "traditional values" advocate).
Since 1776, our National Motto was another testament to national unity: E Pluribus Unum (Lat. "Out of Many Parts, One"). Then in 1956, Congress scrapped this expression of national unity by replacing it with "In God We Trust." To those who say we must return to "In God We Trust," I ask, "However do you think we got by and grew and prospered the first 177 years WITHOUT that motto?" Our moral decline since we have dumped our traditional values and adopted that new motto is well-known and bemoaned.
Here's some further historical background on "In God We Trust." F.Scott Key used similar wording in his "Star Spangled Banner." During the Civil War, a minister wrote to Lincoln suggesting that the words "In God We Trust" be stamped on Union currency, which it was in 1864 and then very sporadically afterwards. In 1955, an act of Congress required it to be placed on all US currency. Then in 1956, Congress made it the new National Motto.
The Wikipedia article, In God We Trust, gives a detailed history of the phrase and its implementation during the Civil War (describing the issues of having to get Congressional approval of such changes) and of its appearance on and disappearance from various coins, though with no mention of paper money. It concludes that section noting: "Since 1938, all US coins have borne the motto."
Is that what you were trying to say? That the 1955 law's effect was to extend the practice to paper money? In part, yes, that would be true. But the 1873 Coinage Act, passed by Congress, only gave permission for "In God We Trust" to be inscribed on coins (and, indeed, the practice came and went and came back again), whereas the 1955 law not only extended the practice to paper money, but also made it mandatory.
The article and other sources have noted the increased religious fervor during the Civil War as in the North the war was turning into a quasi-religious crusade and during the Red Scare and rampant anti-Communism of the mid-1950's. As for myself, I am very reactionary as I stand firmly for and call for the restoration of the Pledge and of the National Motto!

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Message 84 of 150 (667373)
07-06-2012 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Buzsaw
07-05-2012 10:43 PM


Re: Re
Buzsaw writes:
When I was young, one Tornadoe any place was big news.
That's because it took the Pony Express three days to bring you the news. Today, every tornado is on YouTube the minute it starts.

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frako
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Message 85 of 150 (667375)
07-06-2012 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Buzsaw
07-05-2012 10:43 PM


Re: Re
When I was young, one Tornadoe any place was big news.
from http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/...reweather/tornadoes.html#history
Yea clearly supported by this graph from the National Climatic Data Center
Asheville, North Carolina
Face it buzz you are just noticing more bad stuff, or you dint get the information you do now back then.
My guess is you dint notice things like this too much back in the day because you dinn't want to. It made life sound so much better when nothing bad was happening. Now you are getting old and you want some magic sky daddy to be punishing the new generation for having more fun then you had.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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Message 86 of 150 (667381)
07-06-2012 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by frako
07-06-2012 1:24 PM


Re: Re: Re
Let's not make this one of those threads with 150 messages all with some silly subtitle like 'Re: Re'

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Message 87 of 150 (667384)
07-06-2012 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
07-04-2012 9:01 PM


quote:
For essentially cursing Israel and for Sodomy, two biggies that tick God off.
Other posts have already pointed out that the U.S. is providing massive support to Israel. And according to you the proportion of gays in U.S. society is likely only 2-3% Message 234
It would seem rather odd for God to be especially pissed off at the U.S. for either of those.
quote:
1. Genesis 12:7 "I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;"
Wouldn't the aid sent to Israel count as a blessing ? If not, why not ?
From an Israeli news source: Globes
US President Barack Obama's budget proposal for fiscal year 2012 (which begins on October 1, 2011) keeps foreign aid for Israel, Egypt, and most other recipients unchanged, but it is not clear what the House of Representatives and the Senate will leave in.
The budget proposes $3.075 billion in US military aid for Israel, $75 million more than in fiscal year 2011. The aid proposal is based on the US-Israeli understandings signed on August 16, 2007. US military aid is set to increase by a further $25 million to $3.1 billion in fiscal year 2013, and remain at that level through 2018, assuming that the US foreign aid program remains as is. Israel is also due to receive $20 million in aid for integrating refugees.
quote:
Our own Pentagon, for the first time celebrated gay rights day. We are, for the first time in our history advocating gay marriage, etc.
You can call me homophobic or what ever. I'm just telling you what, Biblically, ticks God off.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Sodom incident triggered by a rape gang chasing an angel ? (Genesis 19). That's a far cry from a civil society accepting consensual gay sex.
quote:
That America is being pounded with disaster after disaster is, imo, just another evidence that he does, indeed, exist and is to be feared and acknowledge by man, whom he created in his image.
And of course, as others have shown any claim of an increase in disasters is also dubious.
As I said earlier, a competent terrorist is careful to claim credit for his atrocities and make his grievances clear. Since you haven't even good evidence that any atrocities are being committed or that the actuality of the supposed offences is actually severe enough to warrant this intervention, your claim is unsupported.

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Message 88 of 150 (667402)
07-06-2012 9:13 PM


PLEASE EVERYONE, READ THE TITLE & OP
This thread has been derailed from the onset. This thread pertains to two curses and only two; how, nationally, America has essentially thrown Israel under the bus while aiding their enemies, oll of whom seek to destroy her, and how, nationally, (I say nationally) America has legitimized sodomy. That's it.
Anything else posted will be considered off topic.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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jar
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Message 89 of 150 (667403)
07-06-2012 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Buzsaw
07-06-2012 9:13 PM


Re: PLEASE Buz, Learn the meaning of the word evidence
Buz:
Please provide evidence that the US has thrown Israel under the bus or that the US has legitimized sodomy.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 90 of 150 (667407)
07-06-2012 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Buzsaw
07-06-2012 9:13 PM


Re: PLEASE EVERYONE, READ THE TITLE & OP
This thread pertains to two curses and only two; how, nationally, America has essentially thrown Israel under the bus while aiding their enemies
PLEASE, do elaborate.. How has the US (I think thats what you mean when you write America, though America is a whole lot more than the US), 'thrown Israel under the bus'?
If i recall correctly, monetary aid has risen under the Obama administration, and the Obama administration arent exactly supporting the palstinians, more so than any other president for the past two decades.
and how, nationally, (I say nationally) America has legitimized sodomy. That's it.
Anal, oral and homosexual sex has always been going on. Didnt you ever get a BJ, old man? Thats sodomy, you know.
This thread has been derailed from the onset. This thread pertains to two curses and only two
Your original message claimed that we have more distasters going on now than never before. Of course, that is not true.
You simply percieve it as such, because these days, you get to know about every incident, minor or big, no matter what. When you were growing up, you wouldnt have heard of some storm in another state, perhaps rarely, but not always.
Luckily, some people have been keeping track of incidents over the years, and we obviously see, that you are wrong.
Why do you care so much about Israel anyways? If they are gods chosen people, wouldnt you be following the wrong religion?

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