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Author Topic:   Evolution versus Creationism is a 'Red Herring' argument
jar
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Message 12 of 136 (665209)
06-10-2012 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by PaulGL
05-27-2012 2:11 PM


So many strange ideas.
Do you know what 'uniformitarianism' even means? Are you claiming that things happened differently in the past, that landslides went up instead of down, that mountains sank into the earth instead of rising up, that weathering made rocks grow instead of splitting into smaller pieces?
Are you claiming that rain didn't fall, that streams ran uphill, that storms were calm and volcanoes spewed cold magma, that water contracted when it froze and the circumference of a circle really is three times the diameter?
As a Christian I can tell you that the Genesis accounts of creation are rejected because they are simply wrong as well as the internal inconsistencies in the accounts.
The Genesis accounts were not dumped in some frenzied effort to discredit the Bible but rather simply because the overwhelming body of evidence in all fields of investigation showed that the Genesis accounts were incorrect.
Now I'll admit that it certainly is possible that Satan, not as an enemy but as the servant of GOD, is influencing those Christians that oppose the fact of Evolution and the Theory of Evolution.

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jar
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Message 25 of 136 (665296)
06-11-2012 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by PaulGL
06-11-2012 4:13 PM


Re: Sorry, no spare time now. Beg your forgiveness
Pretty funny.
Thanks, but what does it have to do with the topic?
Did you read Message 12?
Are you claiming that the processes here on earth are different than in the past, that continental plate collisions did not raise mountains, that erosion and weathering did not break down materials and move them from higher levels to lower levels, that volcanism and floods and storms and winds and freezing and thawing behaved differently in the past, that in the past younger layers were laid down beneath older layers?
Come on.

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jar
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Message 28 of 136 (665313)
06-11-2012 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Dr Adequate
06-11-2012 7:29 PM


Earth, we are on the earth
and in case PaulGL didn't know that I think it is a point worth making.
We are talking about the geological and biological history of the Earth, not Venus.
The fact is that the various Genesis accounts were abandoned not from some desire to attack the Bible, but because all of the evidence from here on the Earth showed that the Genesis accounts, the Biblical accounts, the Biblical Flood were simply wrong.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin her ---> here

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jar
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Message 92 of 136 (667643)
07-10-2012 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by PaulGL
07-10-2012 3:10 PM


Re: Red Herring? Where?
First, there is no such thing as "the Bible"; there are instead several different anthologies of stories that call themselves the Bible even though very little is common to all of them.
One thing that is common to all of them is that the stories were all just written by men; unknown men for the most part; men who were simply really uneducated and uninformed about how this universe is organized.
Of course we can disprove many of those stories, the Garden of Eden never existed, the Biblical Flood myths are simply false, the Conquest of Canaan never happened as described in Joshua, the Exodus did not happen as described...the list goes on and on.
There is nothing wrong with believing that GOD created all that is, seen and unseen, or even that man is some special desired creation (although the latter must be considered either as really silly or the result of some really weird Coyote-like God), but to pretend that what is described in Genesis is some actual report of how life got here beggars the imagination.
Genesis 2&3 are a "Just so story" intended to explain why childbirth seems more difficult for humans than other animals, why we farm instead of being hunter gatherers, why folk fear snakes, why we wear clothes. Genesis 1 on the other hand was intended to establish a theological week and Sabbath. In both stories creation is simply a plot device meant to carry the tale along.
The Bible also has very little to contribute towards answering the question "What is the purpose of man" that is not covered much better in other tomes. There is also not much value in any absolute "TRUTH" and such a critter if it existed is still pretty much irrelevant to gaining knowledge of how things work.
Faith, grace, mercy, love can only be obtained through mental effort; they are things an individual works at and the result of evolution, teaching and personal experience; of a growth in wisdom.

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jar
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Message 100 of 136 (667705)
07-11-2012 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by PaulGL
07-11-2012 12:23 PM


Re: Red Herring? Where?
It's not a matter of belief, it is a conclusion based on the evidence.

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jar
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Message 109 of 136 (667893)
07-13-2012 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Tangle
07-13-2012 9:06 AM


Re: as simply as I can put it
You can't find it.
Sorry but it really is that simple.

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jar
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Message 128 of 136 (668755)
07-23-2012 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by PaulGL
07-23-2012 9:16 PM


Re: necessity for cloning to ensure 100% transmission of an acquired genetic trait
As a Christian I need to point out to you that there is no Biblical support for a Fall and that there is overwhelming evidence that "Adam" exists only in fiction.

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