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PaulGL
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Message 112 of 136 (668006)
07-15-2012 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by NoNukes
07-14-2012 11:06 AM


Re: necessity for cloning to ensure 100% transmission of an acquired genetic trait
I said absolutely nothing with regards to the number of chromosomes. What I hypothesized was: 1. If free will is dependent upon a requisite level of intelligence, then the process of evolution would stipulate that that requisite level was attained through genetic progression/ acquired characteristics. 2. In order for the first such entity reaching such a threshold level of intelligence to be able to produce 100% of their offspring with the same level, they must have a mate with the identical genetic characteristic. Mating with a entity without such would produce the requisite characteristic in (at best) only 50% of their offspring. 3. Since this being was the first, and thus unique; the only way their mate could have the identical genetic makeup would be by cloning. 4. Not only so, the first entity would have to be male, and the cloned entity female. 5. If the Bible is true, then there should be a correlation to this in its record. Do not the particulars of the account of the 'creation' of Adam & Eve correspond? Coincidence?

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PaulGL
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Message 115 of 136 (668028)
07-16-2012 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by PaulK
07-16-2012 1:28 AM


Re: necessity for cloning to ensure 100% transmission of an acquired genetic trait
As an arbitrary illustration: Presume that you are the first specimen of your particular species to evolve to the threshold of speech. Would it not be highly desirable that all of your children be able to speak with you. ...Introducing a Y chromosome from another entity might result in offspring not having the requisite level of intelligence. The first surviving entity possessing a genetic mutation produced trait would initially be unique among their species. If it was a male, then cloning to transmit the characteristic using only its genetic coding in 100% of its offspring is possible. If a female, no. ...This is Genetics 101, NOT something I had to manipulate to fit the Genesis record.

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PaulGL
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Message 116 of 136 (668029)
07-16-2012 11:35 AM
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07-15-2012 10:14 PM


Re: necessity for cloning to ensure 100% transmission of an acquired genetic trait
I 'went off' about the horses to show the irrelevancy of that reply. Obviously, parts of the Bible are literal, and parts are allegorical. Why? When you are teaching children to learn a language, you must first show them a picture that illustrates the corresponding word. In order to illustrate spiritual realities, the Bible has to allegorically use the concrete visible things that we can comprehend. The entire Old Testament is the outward 'pictures' corresponding to the spiritual reality recorded in the New Testament.

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PaulGL
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Message 121 of 136 (668048)
07-16-2012 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by NoNukes
07-16-2012 12:09 PM


Re: necessity for cloning to ensure 100% transmission of an acquired genetic trait
Okay, never mind defining desirability in the limited way of personal preference. Rather, let it be defined as a trait which would increase the capacity of the species to survive.

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PaulGL
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Message 125 of 136 (668747)
07-23-2012 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Evlreala
07-22-2012 12:33 PM


Re: necessity for cloning to ensure 100% transmission of an acquired genetic trait
Animals have souls- scriptural. The parts/functions of sould are: Mind, emotion, and will. Animals choose according either of 2 criteria (flight or flight): namely their choices are made as a result of instinct or logic. Man, having a 'free will' is not bound to this and can come up with decisions which are not strictly the result of either influence.

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PaulGL
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Message 126 of 136 (668751)
07-23-2012 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by NoNukes
07-20-2012 5:14 PM


Re: necessity for cloning to ensure 100% transmission of an acquired genetic trait
Okay: X trait genetically appears in species Y, by whatever process (mutation, natural selection, environmental change- whatever. In order for this acquired trait to be inherited by 100% of X's offspring, his mate must have the identical chromosomal makeup that X has. But this is a first, unique trait to X's species. Only way for a mate to X to likewise have the identical chromosomal makeup is cloning. And only opposite gender cloning is possible if it is a woman cloned from a man. (Take his X chromosome and duplicate/double it. Women do not have Y chromosomes).

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PaulGL
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Message 127 of 136 (668753)
07-23-2012 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by greentwiga
07-20-2012 11:00 AM


Re: necessity for cloning to ensure 100% transmission of an acquired genetic trait
We are all descendants of, and genetically contained in, Adam. What he did, and its results in effect on human nature, are passed to all od his decendents. Pick up a newspaper: is man's basic nature good? Hardly. Could that be a result of what happened because of the Fall, which is written allegorically?

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PaulGL
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Message 136 of 136 (669506)
07-30-2012 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Evlreala
07-26-2012 8:52 PM


Re: necessity for cloning to ensure 100% transmission of an acquired genetic trait
YES! Correct.

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