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If you believe the evolution nonsense, of course you're an evolutionist.If you claim to believe in the god of the Bible, yet have the notion that this god's holy book is full of lies and falsehoods, your belief is still nonsensical. What true god would inspire a manual full of falsehoods for it's intelligent created beings to live by?

You got it in one Buz.

Buz for once you got it right.Since we can show your version of the bible is full of falsehoods then we can agree there is no true god.You said it yourself Buz.

Couldn't someone be convinced of that by the fact that three-dimensional spacetime is all that there's evidence for? And Second-Day Adventist Brain-in-Jars believe that there's even less - substantially less - to reality. If you believe that it's the responsibility of evidence not to contradict belief, then you've turned the relationship between evidence and belief on its head. So, let me get this straight - your position is that observable reality is a conspiracy to turn people against God?

Well when you say things like this:

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It depends, as always, on the definition of evolution that the atheist wants to use at any given time.

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Does it mean, common descent-Genesis is wrong-there is no God? — as it almost always does?

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It sounds like you're equating evolutionism with atheism.And there's plenty of thiests who accept evolution so you can't really say that evolutionism almost always means that there is not God.

I was asking marc because he seemed to equate evolutionism with atheism. Well I don't claim to "believe in the god of the Bible"... there is no one "god of the Bible". And the Bible is just a book, it doesn't constrain god. God is greater than the Bible. We're not intended to "live by the Bible". Christ instructed us to love god and love each other. That's all we're intended to do.And you don't even live by the Bible. There's plenty of old testament stuff in there that you just ignore.

This has probably already been mentioned, but it seems that creationists have retreated to their own forums where they can control the content and limit the opposition's contribution. That way they can suggest any nonsense they wish and then sit around and pat each other on the back for their superior intellect and the imminent destruction of atheistic evolution.Every once in a while, one will feel especially confident and spread his (or her) wings and set out into the world, then they end up here ... but only for a short time.There wasn't much going on here, so I have spent some time over at evolution fairytale. What a joke! Not one good thing I can say so far. I expect to get banned soon. HBD

As have conservatives, who now retreat into their own media bubble & pat themselves on the back for pointing out Obama's socialism. Ther also seems to be a considerable overlap with these two groups. Coincidence?

I would say that yes there is a considerable overlap in the two groups. But, I would not be willing to say there is a connection between being a creationist and being a conservative. In seems that what both groups do have in common (especially where they overlap) is that they are unwilling to let go of the past and realize that we are now in a new era. There are new social forces and new social needs. We have also greatly advanced in what we know about the world and how it works. These folks want to cling to the "good old days" when all was right with the world. But in my opinion, the "good old days" really weren't all that good.HBD

Well, have you ever seen a liberal creationist?I think you should say it the other way: there isn't a connection between being a conservative and being a creationist. I think its a good idea to keep a good grip on the reins and keep an eye on where you're going. I don't mind progressing socially, but I don't like the rashness that I tend to see in the left. I think its good to have a conservative side to keep things in check. The progress is unavoidable, but the speed can be tampered. They always seem to forget that them good ol' days are what lead to these days here.

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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -- John Stuart Mill (link)

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Paraphrasing: I wouldn't say that creationists tend to be ignorant but I would say that ignorant people tend to be creationists. I think there's a tentative connection there.

Good point! Consider my original post amended! So would you say that's moderate?Part of the difficulty I have is that I am unsure of what "conservative" and "liberal" really mean anymore. I used to think that liberal meant big government and conservative meant less government. It seems that now they both mean big government just serving different interests. I tend to favor less government involvement, in particular less government bureaucracy. Yea, and then blame the previous administration for the problems and promise the new administration will deliver. Then repeat cycle, new players.

How does this all relate to the thread topic pertaining to EvC's creationist shortage? Perhaps it pertains to how many evolutionists and non-biblical so called creationist members hypocriticly treat Biblical, (I say Biblical) creationists. You evolutionists claim the best from both POVs, so as to allow yourselves the advtage over the bonafide Bible believing creationsts.We who hold to the accuracy of the Genesis record and other miraculous allegements in the Bible are not afforded that advantage. We could in no way believe the Genesis record and claim to believe evolution nonsense.

Do you really think we're conspiring? Really!?I was just being honest, buz, I'm not working with any of the other members to get any kind of advantage or anything.

Do you have any evidence to present Buz?And boards evolve. If all the Creationists stop coming it is no loss, just Natural Selection.