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CosmicChimp Member Posts: 311 From: Muenchen Bayern Deutschland Joined:
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You have a very good and noble response. You should be cheered for your stance. I wish I could feel it in my heart to have that type of idealism. But, alas those qualities are far from me when confronted with the facts in this case. The man should be summarily executed.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
That sounds like a good argument for life in prison. I don't feel the specifics of this case should award him life of any kind.
Killing him only adds to the death toll. Not really a problem for me.
And that's without even considering that he is likely insane. Are we really going to execute the mentally ill? Well, anyone opening fire in a movie theater cannot be said to be menatlly well considering. The only reason I would not want to see him get the death penalty is if he was mentally incapable of knowing right from wrong. Don't see that being the case in this one. But we'll wait and see.
Leave him in jail. With any luck, he might some day grow a conscience and realise the severity of what he's done. Or just kill him and forget about it. - Oni
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I think the fact that life imprisonment is cheaper than our execution process is a valid reason to do away with the death penalty even if there were not other moral and practical considerations. Since when is money that important?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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(cough) gun control (cough)
I thought I'd just drop it in; you never know it may just be a minor contributing factor. Possibly. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
HUH?
As I said the cost was just one factor but cost, particularly tax dollars, are a fact of life. The question to ask yourself is whether the extra cost of vengeance is where you really want to spend your money and if so, why?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
e question to ask yourself is whether the extra cost of vengeance is where you really want to spend your money and if so, why? It's any extra cost for punishment, not vengeance. Which it seems we can all agree he should be punished in some way, right? - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
(cough) gun control (cough) I thought I'd just drop it in; you never know it may just be a minor contributing factor. Possibly. All for talking about it. What do you got? - Oni
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Punishment is not really an issue, both imprisonment and execution are punishment.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
One form of punishment costs more than the other, which having searched it yesterday I found conflicting data on that. But let's just say it does to not drag this out. It has nothing to do with vengeance.
- Oni
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I don't buy that an experiment turned Kaczynski into a Unibomber. I think it's pretty well settled, at this point. He'd never sent anybody bombs before, you know. And everybody's account has his mental decline from genius mathematician to reclusive bomber begin almost immediately after he was subject to an incredibly harsh CIA experiment. It's not even a conspiracy theory, at this point; it's more or less settled history. People just prefer the "some guys are born bad" explanation.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
"Punishment" is a useless farce that just makes folks like you feel better about getting some good old fashioned vengeance.
I suppose it is a natural, biological trait. I just read online that the prosecution is going to wait to see if they're going to pursue the death penalty until after speaking with the families of the victims. I think that's a good way to go about it; If the families of the victims think they'll feel better if this guy gets the death penalty, then that's reason enough for me.
So lock him away and pump him full of drugs so you won't live in a world where the death penalty exists? I, personally, would rather be put to death than sit in a small room for 50+ years... well, I guess that depends on the drugs
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I think it's pretty well settled, at this point. No it is not. Some media outlets ran with the story of his past and the experiemnts conducted at Harvard, but no authority on the matter has ever investigated or concluded such a thing. Not the thread for it, so if you have evidence maybe post a link or start a thread. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I just read online that the prosecution is going to wait to see if they're going to pursue the death penalty until after speaking with the families of the victims. I think that's a good way to go about it; If the families of the victims think they'll feel better if this guy gets the death penalty, then that's reason enough for me. I read the same thing, and I agree. If the families want him dead then they should go for the death penalty. And I get my bloodlust satisfied.
I, personally, would rather be put to death than sit in a small room for 50+ years... well, I guess that depends on the drugs. I'd ask to be allowed to overdose on heroin. - Oni
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vimesey Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
I don't know whether the reports over here are accurate, but I understand that one of the weapons used was an AR-15 assault rifle.
We don't get a great deal of debate in the UK over the detail of gun control, but a member of the public legally being able to buy an assault rifle does raise the eyebrow quite high. What rationale do the NRA and other opponents of gun control offer, in support of the public being able to buy assault rifles ? (As distinct from more general rationales, in relation to pistols/single shot rifles and firearms in a general sense).
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I was going to regale you with my hazy memory of the various strangeness regarding assault weapons in the USA. Then I found that wiki had summed it for me - who needs a memory these days, eh?
quote: What rationale do the NRA and other opponents of gun control offer, in support of the public being able to buy assault rifles ? I think, the argument goes, roughly, but they're not technically assault rifles (ie., they are only semi-automatic), in their own words:
quote: Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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