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Author Topic:   Evolution versus Creationism is a 'Red Herring' argument
Tangle
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Message 11 of 136 (665207)
06-10-2012 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by PaulGL
05-27-2012 2:11 PM


PaulGL writes:
Evolutionists for nonscientific reasons have erroneously discarded the Genesis account and, equally erroneously, religionists have discarded evolution as being contradictory to a Genesis account.
Now it is time to logically examine the merits and foibles of the "pro-Creation" argument.
You're making the usual mistake of equating 'evolutionist' with 'atheist'. (And also, by saying evolutionist and not simply biologist, you're imagining that there are some particular groups of people working in the biological sciences that think that evolution is false - there aren't.)
That aside, science has not discarded the Genesis account - science never ever had anything to say about it. What a particular religious group thinks about its creation myths is of absolutely no interest to science. Rather, a few groups of believers are disconcerted by science's findings and fear that the natural explanations they provide challenges their beliefs.
Science has simply found out how the natural world works and that's a challenge for those who need to cling to impossible beliefs come what may. There are no merits to the creation story, except as a childish myth to be put to one side once you come of age.
If there's a red herring anywhere here, it's the supposition that science is remotely interested in anything religions believe. Science didn't discover evolution as a prop for atheism, it discovered it because it's a fact of the world we live in.
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Message 106 of 136 (667828)
07-12-2012 3:01 PM
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07-11-2012 9:52 PM


Re: as simply as I can put it
Herebedragons writes:
How do you distinguish between man, who has a spirit, and ape, who does not have a spirit?
What's a spirit?

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Message 108 of 136 (667891)
07-13-2012 9:06 AM
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07-13-2012 8:25 AM


Re: as simply as I can put it
So, I've been given a spirit? Where can I find it? (Outside time and space is a bit outside my grasp).

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Message 110 of 136 (667951)
07-14-2012 3:23 AM
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07-13-2012 9:48 AM


Re: as simply as I can put it
Jar writes:
You can't find it.
All my hopes and dreams shatterered!

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Message 132 of 136 (668763)
07-24-2012 2:44 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by PaulGL
07-23-2012 9:16 PM


Re: necessity for cloning to ensure 100% transmission of an acquired genetic trait
PaulG writes:
We are all descendants of, and genetically contained in, Adam.
We are not. In fact, genetics tells us that we are descended from ape-like ancestors. I'm sure I don't need to remind you that the bible also fails to mention genetics.
What he did, and its results in effect on human nature, are passed to all od his decendents.
Actions can't be passed to your descendants. Obviously.
Pick up a newspaper: is man's basic nature good? Hardly. Could that be a result of what happened because of the Fall, which is written allegorically?
Or could it be that man's nature is such that man wrote stories to explain it?

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