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ringo
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Message 661 of 1049 (671462)
08-25-2012 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 660 by hooah212002
08-25-2012 10:28 AM


Re: Many thanks
hoohoo writes:
Moose is irrational and Percy is the board director.
Don't confuse, "I disagree with you," and, "You're irrational."
Also don't expect parents to undermine each other.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 662 of 1049 (671622)
08-28-2012 1:27 PM


AdminPD, WTF are you doing?
still new still trying to understand.
But how is drawing the line and explaining oneself and what sort of Protestant one is referring to in a thread about Protestant Canon, anywhere close to being off topic.
I am sorry, but the way the AdminPD is around here, I am not sure if I can handle this site.
This "person" (not sure, acts like a droid) misunderstands the topic at hand and accuses everyone of being off topic and ruins a thread that people are actually posting in (unlike 99% of the mostly inactive threads on this site); and then says you can;'t repsond to its admin posts, like they are correct and final!?! look I understand this is a private site and the Admin can do what they want to, it just seems silly to effectively close a thread on some minor semantics, and accuse everyone of breaking rules and going off topic without the ability to challenge if said rules were actually broken.
I am not trying to rock the boat, its just dufficult for me to accept the strict authortarianism of such a liberal site.

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jar
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Message 663 of 1049 (671625)
08-28-2012 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 662 by Artemis Entreri
08-28-2012 1:27 PM


Re: AdminPD, WTF are you doing?
Aw.
There is only one Protestant Canon (although it was revised over time) but Protestant dogma is irrelevant to the topic.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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NoNukes
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Message 664 of 1049 (671628)
08-28-2012 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 662 by Artemis Entreri
08-28-2012 1:27 PM


Re: AdminPD, WTF are you doing?
But how is drawing the line and explaining oneself and what sort of Protestant one is referring to in a thread about Protestant Canon, anywhere close to being off topic.
We were off topic, IMO, and I normally don't agree with AdminPD about these things.
The issue of whether Lutherans were Protestants was raised in response to a comment regarding Protestants and not their canon. It eventually turned out that you intended Protestant to refer to a particular group of evangelicals all of whom use the same Bible that Lutherans and other major Protestant groups use.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw

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AdminPD
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Message 665 of 1049 (671645)
08-28-2012 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 662 by Artemis Entreri
08-28-2012 1:27 PM


Re: AdminPD, WTF are you doing?
Not responding within a thread to an Administrative post is a way to keep an off topic discussion from interfering with the course of the thread and those who do wish to stay on topic.
This thread provides a way of making one's concerns known when it comes to Moderator actions.
If you wish to challenge my decision, at least make a case defending your position. Unfortunately, you haven't made a case for your line of discussion or explained how it deals with the superiority of the Protestant Canon or that it makes any difference to the Protestant Canon.
The topic is about the canon, not the people.
AdminPD

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Message 666 of 1049 (671653)
08-28-2012 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 662 by Artemis Entreri
08-28-2012 1:27 PM


Re: AdminPD, WTF are you doing?
Chaoticskunk writes:
look I understand this is a private site and the Admin can do what they want to...
This isn't any more a private site than Facebook. Anyone can join.
EvC Forum is a moderated debate site, but moderators cannot do what they want. The Forum Guidelines are their guide. If you haven't read them already they're worth a read - there's only 10 short rules. There's also a set of Moderator Guidelines that moderators use to help them.

--Percy
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hooah212002
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Message 667 of 1049 (671657)
08-28-2012 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 666 by Admin
08-28-2012 8:40 PM


Re: AdminPD, WTF are you doing?
Warn, Then Act
Members deserve to be informed that they are not in conformance with the forum guidelines, so moderator actions should be preceded by at least one warning.
HAHAHAHAHAHA

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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ringo
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Message 668 of 1049 (671690)
08-29-2012 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 666 by Admin
08-28-2012 8:40 PM


Re: AdminPD, WTF are you doing?
Post number 666. Admin is the AntiChrist. That explains a lot.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Posts: 1194
From: Northern Virginia
Joined: 07-08-2008


Message 669 of 1049 (671698)
08-29-2012 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 665 by AdminPD
08-28-2012 6:53 PM


riiight
The topic is about the canon, not the people.
was just clarifying, but I guess it does not compute with your authoritarian code.
my bad, forget i brought it up.
I'll go back to lurking, posting here is an absolute waste of time.

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Artemis Entreri 
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From: Northern Virginia
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Message 670 of 1049 (671710)
08-29-2012 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 666 by Admin
08-28-2012 8:40 PM


for real?
Admin writes:
This isn't any more a private site than Facebook. Anyone can join.
EvC Forum is a moderated debate site, but moderators cannot do what they want. The Forum Guidelines are their guide. If you haven't read them already they're worth a read - there's only 10 short rules. There's also a set of Moderator Guidelines that moderators use to help them.
The suspensions and banning thread would say otherwise, for it appears you ban people willy-nilly completely arbitrarily based on your current mood. I have read through most of it, and it seems as if people get permanently banned, for the most random reasons.
Its fine, I get it its your website and you are the Chairman Mao around here.
Its more the disingenuous charade of debating, and following rules that only some people have to follow (I understand they are probably your IRL friends, and that is fine too). I find it amusing that many people here pretend and go along with it, as if there is some legitimacy to all of it.
I feel like due to all the madness, arbitrary banning, double standards in every thread, and whatever this place tries to charade itself as, that this has to be a private site that I stumbled upon. I mean why else would any new people want to participate? There is a whole thread about the lack of creationists (something that is quite odd considering the name of this place), but the whole time I'm LOLing to myself about how obvious the answer to the question is, as if this was some fair forum.
I appreciate the chance to come here and post, but I have seen enough in the past month. I am just going to go back to lurking, maybe posting occasionally if I cannot resist, maybe to tell someone they are witty or correct. Once again thanks for the time and the opportunity to join the madness around here, but I think I'll sit and watch instead. Sorry if I wasted anyone's time, I almost believed you for a minute, when I 1st created an account to post here.
Edited by Chaoticskunk, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 671 of 1049 (671760)
08-30-2012 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 670 by Artemis Entreri
08-29-2012 5:12 PM


Re: for real?
I am sorry but to me that is a total bitch move. and there aint no bitch in me, I feel like its your job as Admin to Administer the site (I am not a rat nor a snitch). But from reading the public record forum it just seems like the Admins are part of the whole thing; I do not find them to be very objective. Hence the charade. I am just glad I figured this cleverly disguised liberal flame site as soon as I did, instead believing the lie.
If Chaoticskunk is really Artemis, then his claims to not know the rules because he just got here were all lies. He has claimed not to know how summary mode worked, not to understand the policy on name calling when name calling is something Artemis frequently did, and not to know the posters in the forum.
I engaged Mr. Skunk's arguments in good faith, and now feel foolish for having bitten on a 55 message troll scheme.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw

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Straggler
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Message 672 of 1049 (672961)
09-12-2012 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 666 by Admin
08-28-2012 8:40 PM


Cancer Survivors
Not really a moderation issue per se....
I just wondered why RAZ's cancer survivors thread hadn't been promoted?

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foreveryoung
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Message 673 of 1049 (683060)
12-07-2012 12:30 AM


Adminnemooseus writes:
I've lost track of what the topic in question is, and Cavediver didn't give a link. Anyway...
Cavediver writes:
Why do we put up with this idiot? Moose has just closed a perfectly respectable, topical, and interesting thread (and I don't blame Moose) because it has been trolled by FEY, and others simply can't help feeding the troll. We're not remedial school, we're not here to handhold some angsty teenager through pubescence, and I don't see why discussion and debate should be curtailed because of one immature poster.
And this has nothing at all to do with that twit jeering everyone in sight, resulting in me losing my perfect 10 score. Not at all. Doesn't bother me one bit. Nope. Did I mention it was 10 before he starting being a twat?
First of all, I don't normally give "Cheers" to messages from the admin mode ID, but I felt Cavediver made a good moderation issue point - "...and others simply can't help feeding the troll.". It's pretty hard for an individual to cause major topic problems without the support of others, be it "feeding the troll" or just blindly "chasing the off-topic" (these may be one and the same). Self moderation by members would be VERY helpful.
Foreveryoung has the burden of being of the minority perspective side. If that wasn't tough enough, he also has publicly admitted to having very significant psychological problems. Thus, I am bending over backwards to try to make this place a beneficial experience for him (aka - not banning him permanently).
Dr Adequate, in response to Cavediver, in message 57, writes:
Because he has a spark of intelligence and morality in him. Deep down inside him, I believe, there is a good and sane person fighting to get out.
I fully agree (OSLT).
Huntard, in response to Cavediver, in message 59, writes:
Quite. You know what would've been a perfectly viable solution? Asking him to stop posting to that thread. Problem would've resolved itself within 10 messages after the request, and we could've had a reasonable discussion about the glory of a true European Union / World Government.
I think....
An even more immediate solution would have been for others not to post responses (which, since FEY was off-topic, were also off-topic). Sometimes I just want to find the problem message and the chain of responses to that message, and suspend everyone involved.
Problem would've resolved itself within 10 messages after the request,...
I wouldn't bet on it, even if FEY did stop posting. Others could well carry on without his input.
A similar problem is the various other members also chasing kofh2u's "doesn't belong in the topic material".
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THIS MATTER MUST GO TO THE General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') TOPIC.
Adminnemooseus
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FY writes:
Has anyone given a moments thought to what might be driving my anger other than personal issues? Having a minority opinion can be infuriating but if I am responded to with respect and not treated like an idiot, I do ok being on the minority side. Another handicap I have in debating with most folks on here is that everyone seems to have immersed themselves in the "progressive" "socialist" talking points. It doesn't matter whether you listen to MSNBC or watch PBS or read most books either on a college campus or in a bookstore like Barnes and Noble, they ALL share the same talking points on just about any issue that has been argued and discussed thoroughly. The folks at EVC have memorized all those liberal talking points and can pull out a link at a moments whim to butress any point they are making that is in contradiction to the conservatives points of view (regressive, reactionary...according to you guys). This is extremely frustrating for an inarticulate guy like me who knows instinctually what he believes but cannot put it succinctly into words. It is especially frustating because there is scarce support material on the web or in books for my point of view. The only ones that I can find are usually dismissed as right wing and illegitimate, for instance, American Thinker. With no ammunition to fire, you certainly cannot win a war.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add big quote box for Adminnemooseus text. Add source of that text.

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Theodoric
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Message 674 of 1049 (683071)
12-07-2012 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 673 by foreveryoung
12-07-2012 12:30 AM


You are whining
It is especially frustating because there is scarce support material on the web or in books for my point of view.
That should tell you something about your viewpoint. Like maybe you should open your mind and really look at the facts.
The only ones that I can find are usually dismissed as right wing and illegitimate, for instance, American Thinker.
You should learn to vet your sources.
Vetting is a very important thing for any source.
Vet - to appraise, verify, or check for accuracy, authenticity, validity, etc.:

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 675 of 1049 (683072)
12-07-2012 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 673 by foreveryoung
12-07-2012 12:30 AM


quote:
Another handicap I have in debating with most folks on here is that everyone seems to have immersed themselves in the "progressive" "socialist" talking points.
I don't know what to make of this part of your post. I can understand the point about the frustrations of being in the minority, but if I remove the dismissive, name calling rhethoric from the above, what remains is a complaint that your debating opponents know the subject matter better than you, or at least are more successful at researching the subject than you.
So how would we solve something like that?
You seem to be utterly convinced that left leaners are idiots. And that opinion comes through loud and strong in your posts, including this one.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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