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Author Topic:   Motivation for Denying God and Accepting Evolution
Genologist
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Message 1 of 39 (673249)
09-17-2012 3:05 PM


Please see the latter half of Message 2 for the opening post of this thread. --Admin
Dear Administrator
I would like to propose the following topics. I would be delighted if either (or both) of the topics could be put forward for approval or modification along these lines:
a) In what tangible ways would mankind be worse-off if the theory of evolution were to be omitted from mainstream education?
b) Do evolutionists posses a religious zeal in their defence of the theory of evolution, and if so why?
Thank-you.
Edited by Admin, : Add redirect message at top.
Edited by Admin, : Change title to be appropriate to topic.

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Genologist
Junior Member (Idle past 4228 days)
Posts: 8
From: Kadoma, Mashonaland West, Zimbabwe
Joined: 09-15-2012


Message 13 of 39 (673441)
09-19-2012 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
09-17-2012 7:02 PM


Re: Evolution is a FACT.
The FACT of Evolution and the Theory of Evolution are two separate things and should not be confused.
(please excuse my unavoidable absence). Jar, I generally like your concise posts, however I think you need to fully expand or define the word "evolution" within the phrase "the fact of evolution" vs the "theory of evolution". I say this because unfortunately from observation it appears that very few people actually separate certain, individually observed "evolutionary" phenomena such as adaption or selection which are included as evidence for the ToE as a whole, (as you do), as being distinct on their own, ie "are able to stand alone" from the actual ToE (which is merely certain people's opinion translating those facts into a form of explanation). When speaking of evolution it is my understanding that it logically should at least be very closely associated with abiogenesis, (it invariably continues to be taught as connected by teachers, why?), and if it in fact "OFFICIALLY" shouldn't, then this has been poorly conveyed, and for the purposes of clarity, it certainly needs to be at least strongly emphasised that the ToE effectively has no known beginnings other than that the idea started with a common ancestor, a "simple", ALREADY EXISTING (Intelligently- Created?) life form.- Incidentally, and surely to the embarrassment of secular evos, there is in fact no such thing as a "simple" life form- indeed the genome of the much touted "simple" amoeba proteus, (the amoeba traditionally is taught as being the likely common ancestor), has 290 billion units of DNA- some one hundred times that of the human being! http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/....../Sizing_genomes.shtml - how's that for simple-to-more-complex? I don't hear this fact being bandied about too much in the evo posts, Why? The ToE with its current ambiguity, (such as is widely taught in schools/mainstream education), coupled with an insistence that every genetic transaction in evolution is unguided or random is why I assert that there is a religious ambition to exclude a Creator.- Ask a bunch of high school students today if they feel that they have been taught the TOE as fact and I'm pretty sure most will say yes, indeed if you observe the exam questions, they at the very least treat the theory as fact. There has also appeared over time to generally be a subtle (why subtle?) "evolution" within the theory of evolution from ideas to fact, often with little or no tangible evidence (eg the on-going controversy with transition across species), this is similar (albeit less blatant) to the following typical example of "transition" in another aspect of science: "The Earth is thought to be 4.6 billion years old". "Therefore since [fact] the Earth is 4.6 billion years old," ... As stated elsewhere, the religious pursuit by some to obviate a Creator from science or even from the origins of scientific theories stems from the dislike for accountability or relationship with a being higher than ones-self (pride?). It also stems from a misunderstanding within Christianity at least, that such Intelligent and awesome Being does not condemn but actually desires to restore relationship for OUR good. Look around you, there is corruption, but there is also clear evidence of a Creator who made wonderful things for us to enjoy and cherish. Random? I don't think so.

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Genologist
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From: Kadoma, Mashonaland West, Zimbabwe
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Message 24 of 39 (673628)
09-20-2012 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by DrJones*
09-19-2012 12:47 PM


Re: Evolution is a FACT.
And what is your evidence for this assertion?
What other general reason has there ever been for rejecting any authority? It's the "Don't tell me what to do, and how to live my life" syndrome. Sadly in the case of the Creator God many have misunderstood what type of authority He is, He is a God of love, he wants what is best for us, but we have been given free will, the chance to choose, and the time to do it in. However denying that He exists does not change His status, only ours.
By the way, could somebody please explain how the simple common ancestor life form, traditionally taught as being the "humble" amoeba could have 290 billion units of DNA- some one hundred times that of the human being when evolution clearly teaches a progression in complexity (and a gaining of genetic information) from simple life forms to the most complex such as yours truly! Perhaps this simple thing will confound the wise, and the "Fact" of evolution will once more "need" to be "in evolution".

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