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Author Topic:   Motivation for Denying God and Accepting Evolution
ICANT
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Message 31 of 39 (673652)
09-21-2012 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by PaulK
09-19-2012 1:39 PM


Re: Evolution is a FACT.
Hi Paul,
PaulK writes:
However they are logically separate when dealing with anything following abiogenesis since it really isn't relevant exactly how the first life got here. As I pointed put in my prior posts we don't need to know how the planets formed to observe their movements or even reconstruct the paths of those orbits through history.
Abiogenesis is relevant because without abiogenesis there would be no evolution as there would be nothing to evolve.
Yes you can observe the movements of bodies in the universe, without knowing how they began to exist.
But without knowing how either began to exist you can not make a statement that life and the universe was not created by a spiritual being.
The scientific answer for how life or the universe began to exist is "WE DON'T KNOW".
You don't know how it began to exist but you know that a spiritual being did not create either.
That is blind faith. Which makes your belief that of a cult.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 34 of 39 (673673)
09-21-2012 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by NoNukes
09-21-2012 9:23 AM


Re: Science is a cult? Projection at its finest.
Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes:
Abiogenesis is of consequence from the standpoint of someone who wants to defend creationism.
Abiogenesis is the word given to describe life beginning to exist.
I can find no scientific paper that describes how this took place.
After more than 50 years of research and experiments there is no workable, experimentally viable explanation of how life could start.
Sir Fred Hoyle, who recognized the impossibility of life arising spontaneously by chance, proposed that life came from outer space.
Had he said life came from out of our universe I would agree with him.
NoNukes writes:
Both evolution and abiogenesis are separately contrary to a fundamentalist interpretation of Genesis.
Abiogenesis and evolution are the opposite of the literal interpertation of the first 4 chapters of Genesis.
NoNukes writes:
You believe that all life is specially created. So for you Genesis means no abiogenesis and no evolution.
I do not believe that life began to exist.
I believe that life was produced by life.
Genesis chapter 2 records that God formed man and creatures from the ground and placed life in them.
It is a scientific fact that life produces life.
It is a scientific assertion that life began to exist by chance.
NoNukes writes:
Evidence that man evolved is problematic for you even if abiogenesis never rises above speculation.
Man has not evolved. In fact he has devolved from a perfect being to the imperfect beings we encounter today.
Until you have life beginning to exist from non-life you have nothing to evolve.
The evolution spoken of here on EvC is based on the assumption that life began to exist from non-life for some reason, when there was no reason.
1. The begining to exist of a new creature as a result of new genetic code arising has never been observed.
2. There is no known, proven mechanism that explains how new purposeful genetic information could arise. Which statistically is impossible.
Without these two evolution is relegated to being a hypothesis.
Without the beginning to exist of new genetic code evolution is impossible.
Since you made a play on my use of the word cult I will give the definition of cult, which is found here: cult | Etymology, origin and meaning of cult by etymonline
Cult. An organized group of people, religious or not, with whom you disagree. [Rawson]
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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