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LimpSpider
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Message 45 of 85 (674509)
09-29-2012 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Percy
09-29-2012 4:13 PM


Re: Ringo. Ok got it
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But second, I'm concerned about the "I"ve never seen" part of your message. To put the concern in a context familiar to you, have you ever seen Noah's flood? Have you ever seen Jesus resurrected?
Good thinking. Here’s the fundamental difference between the two. We can’t experiment on a one time event. However, if life evolved from non-life in the past, it should still be able to do so now, right? There is a distinction between the two. The first is historical science, and the second is operational science.
Historical science is interpreting data of one-time events according to a framework and on which we can’t do experiments. Operational science is where we can do experiments.
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How much of the things that you think you know have you ever seen? You may want to do some thinking and investigating about the actual methods scientists employ to establish confidence in what they think they know.
‘Our ways of learning about the world are strongly influenced by the social preconceptions and biased modes of thinking that each scientist must apply to any problem. The stereotype of a fully rational and objective scientific method, with individual scientists as logical (and interchangeable) robots is self-serving mythology.’ Stephen Jay Gould, 1994, Natural History103(2):14
Not that I agree with everything he says.

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Message 48 of 85 (674519)
09-29-2012 9:03 PM
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09-29-2012 8:12 PM


No Percy, I don’t mean with my eyes, literally. That would be absurd. It would require that I see absolutely everything, which is physically impossible.
We know there is water on Mars, in the frozen form. This we see through extension. The effects of the cause. However, you don’t see either the virus evolve to do so, or its effects. At least, it has never been reported. Electron’s effects can be seen. It can be tested, it can be theorized about. Mountains eroding to a plain. We can see erosion in action.
This is not so with viruses. We can test if they metabolize. They do not. They have never been seen to do so (Via experimentation, when I say see, I don’t mean in the with my own eyes sense). By anyone.

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Message 50 of 85 (674587)
09-30-2012 6:38 PM
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09-30-2012 8:53 AM


So I made a paraphrasical mistake.

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Message 52 of 85 (674591)
09-30-2012 6:50 PM
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09-30-2012 6:45 PM


Well, I made my objections to the experiment, which were not refuted. And no, I was not appearing clueless or had no point. I paraphrased myself wrongly.
Then the topic became sidetracked.....so.

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Message 55 of 85 (674690)
10-01-2012 7:02 PM
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10-01-2012 2:50 PM


Are Viruses Living? I’m not the only one who thinks viruses are non-living, ringo

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Message 60 of 85 (675878)
10-16-2012 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-16-2012 9:15 PM


Uh-huh. Never have I seen more a mature user!

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