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crashfrog
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Message 19 of 49 (67469)
11-18-2003 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Lizard Breath
11-18-2003 3:30 PM


But he's still VOCALLY CONSISTANT.
So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter what moral views Limbaugh himself holds, just so long as the views he espouses never changes.
But if his vocal views never have consequences, it's not too hard for him to hold the same position, don't you think? There's no challenge to being a hypocrite. That's why people don't think much of them.

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crashfrog
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Message 32 of 49 (67563)
11-18-2003 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Lizard Breath
11-18-2003 5:22 PM


Rush has issues, but his message is still consistant.
So what? What does it matter of he has a consistent message if it's a message that's irrelevant to life? Even Rush can't live by his own message. Why take it seriously, then?
According to you, yes, morality as Rush espoused is null and void because Rush couldn't hold himself to his own standards.
His morality, yes. If his moral code can't be succesfully followed, even by himself, then what good is it?
The rest of your straw men aren't even worth bothering with. Why don't you try to find out what I believe before telling me I'm wrong about it?
I think your beef is with any message that goes against absolute freedom with no restraint.
Wrong again, chief. My beef is against hypocritical moralists that think nothing of condemning others for the very behaviors they themselves are guilty of. If Rush's moral code is unlivable, what's the relevance? Again, why admire a man who espouses a strict moral code if there's absolutely no consequences to doing so?

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crashfrog
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Message 35 of 49 (67574)
11-18-2003 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Lizard Breath
11-18-2003 8:57 PM


I admire the code and find value in trying to live by something similiar but not because Rush says so.
Well, that's fine. I'm of the opinion that you're talking about an unlivable and therefore invalid moral code. Rush's own actions are evidence of this to me. But it's your choice to continue to follow it.
I admire the fact that Rush stays on center with his platform instead of swaying.
And I see that as evidence of inflexibility, which I don't associate with intellegence.
Fair enough, I will wait until I learn more about you before I comment in that area and apologise for the broad sweeps towards you, but you also inferred that I was giving Rush a blank get out of jail free check which implies I'm a wishy washy Right Wing Lemming.
I never said anything of the kind. I merely questioned your statements that it didn't matter what Rush did, only that the views that he espoused never changed.

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crashfrog
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Message 37 of 49 (67583)
11-18-2003 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Lizard Breath
11-18-2003 9:32 PM


If you're above admitting that was a dig, then I've just learned a bunch about you already.
It wasn't a "dig" but rather the natural interpretation of these statements of yours:
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I said that you can look at his platform (which I should have said his VOCAL BROADCAST MESSAGE) and know where he stands on any issue. If he fails to apply his own message to himself, that makes him a hippocrite but doesn't change his VOCAL BROADCAST MESSAGE.
Now me, I judge moral codes by the results they have. The result of Rush's personal application of his moral code does not reccommend that code to me. But perhaps you judge moral codes in a different way.

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crashfrog
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Message 44 of 49 (67758)
11-19-2003 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by NosyNed
11-19-2003 12:20 AM


But I consider myself to be kind and honest. But I'm not perfect. But I don't discard the idea of being kind and honest because of that.
Sure. But I imagine your moral code has tolerance for when you fail to be kind and honest.
Any reasonable moral code includes an expectation of tolerance for occasional failure. Rush's didn't. He espoused a no-tolerance policy for drugs. Turns out that that's unlivable, at least for him. Now, will he amend his views to include a little tolerance for people struggling with addiction? That would be uncharacteristically forward-thinking for Rush.

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crashfrog
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Message 48 of 49 (68725)
11-23-2003 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Loudmouth
11-19-2003 4:04 PM


This is perhaps the best lesson Rush could learn and it will be interesting how this comes across in his rhetoric for the next few years.
I predict it doesn't change a whit. In fact I bet he takes a harder line: "I beat drugs so you should be able to, too. And get a degree and a job while you're at it."

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