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foreveryoung
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Message 93 of 171 (677277)
10-28-2012 11:46 PM
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10-28-2012 11:15 PM


everything except for space time is either an area over which a force acts or a manifestation of energy. If space time is neither of these then how could it be considered physical?

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Message 95 of 171 (677279)
10-28-2012 11:48 PM


anti-fundamentalism: the anti traditional american, fake christian branch of weak atheism.
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Message 99 of 171 (677283)
10-29-2012 12:15 AM
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10-28-2012 11:53 PM


But is physics studying merely a mathematical abstraction or something they can prove interacts with the world of matter and energy?

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Message 101 of 171 (677286)
10-29-2012 12:39 AM
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10-29-2012 12:27 AM


Acceleration and velocity are manifestations of energy. Momentum is a manifestation of mass or vice versa really. What is "space time" a manifestation of ?

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Message 104 of 171 (677293)
10-29-2012 1:28 AM
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10-29-2012 1:10 AM


nonukes writes:
Manifestation of energy. I don't think so, but then I don't know what a manifestation is. Certainly we can have energy without having acceleration or velocity.
Velocity is displacement over time. Acceleration is the derivative of velocity. These are quantities with purely mathematical definitions.
But neither one exists without energy. It is energy that produces displacement over time and acceleration.
no nukes writes:
Momentum is a quantity of motion. But what's that? Momentum is a mathematical quantity that turns out to be conserved when there is no outside forces acting on a system. Objects with no mass at all have momentum which I guess means that momentum is not a manifestation of mass. I guess because I don't know what manifestation means in this context.
Momentum is a meaningless concept without there being mass involved. It is the momentum of a particle that gives it it's mass. If a particle with no mass has a measure of momentum then you have either incorrectly defined momentum or mass or both.
no nukes writes:
Perhaps I can answer that after you tell me what a manifestation is.
Velocity is one way that energy is applied so as to be able to be detected. Acceleration is another way. Gravitational force is a way that energy and matter are applied together so that they can be detected. To make something manifest is to make it detectable in a physical way.
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Message 106 of 171 (677295)
10-29-2012 1:37 AM
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10-29-2012 1:33 AM


no nukes writes:
Similarly, energy and matter produce space-time curvature
That is unfounded speculation. On the other hand, it is proven that energy produces velocity and acceleration.

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Message 119 of 171 (677548)
10-30-2012 2:58 PM
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10-30-2012 10:47 AM


Please demonstrate how a wave can propagate without a medium.

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Message 149 of 171 (677710)
11-01-2012 3:15 AM
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10-30-2012 7:48 PM


Re: E&M 101
nonukes writes:
We also know that no medium is required to support either a magnetic field or an electric field.
A magnetic field and electric field exert force on particles. There is a distance between the source of the field and the particles. How do the magnetic and electrical sources exert a force an object that they are not in contact with? There has to be a medium in between them in order for one to exert a force on the other.

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Message 154 of 171 (677734)
11-01-2012 9:56 AM
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11-01-2012 8:38 AM


Re: E&M 101
That is correct. You cannot form an electric or magnetic field without a medium. The medium is the vacuum of space. The difference between me and you is that I view the vacuum of space as having physical properties and is as much a medium as a wall of concrete, albeit much thinner. I have read some things by people you would consider quacks about the exact nature of the vacuum of space itself.

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Message 160 of 171 (677786)
11-01-2012 12:25 PM
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11-01-2012 11:03 AM


Re: E&M 101
We don't observe any changes in the speed of light as long as it is going through the vacuum of space no matter where that might happen to be. The quality of the vacuum of space is everywhere constant even in the presence of massive bodies.

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