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Stile
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Message 13 of 28 (677914)
11-02-2012 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
10-29-2012 2:27 PM


My wife's family lives in Chicago, we live near Toronto, Ontario. Visitation drives take us through Michigan.
On our rides, we never miss The Bob Dutko Show.
Or, as I like to call him, Count Dooku.
The guy is hilarious.
The stuff he says about women and politics and pretty much everything else is just so crazy. Can't turn off the radio; like watching a train wreck.
Plus all the commercials... bring your car here! Take these pills! Invest now! It's just awesome.
What standard, if any, should Christian radio and TV be held to?
Meh... nothing special.
It would be interesting, though, to see what would happen if they actually tried to be honest

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Message 16 of 28 (678119)
11-05-2012 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Phat
11-05-2012 11:42 AM


Yes, niceness is a fruit of the Spirit, so is "be cool, bro"
Phat writes:
Shiny Happy Jesus People
While I wont yet go so far as to vilify Joel Osteen, I will point out that niceness is not a fruit of the Spirit. Comments?
I don't think you understand what "niceness" means. Niceness is acting with the fruits of the Spirit.
From your link above:
quote:
One of these is unlike the others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, niceness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. According to Paul’s letter to the church at Galatia, all but one of these is what he refers to as the fruit of the Spirit, which is to say, visible evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of a Christian...
...which one is foreign to the list? Niceness.
Let's take the list and remove "niceness," we then have:
quote:
love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control
Can you actually be "nice" without any of these also describing your actions?
Can you actually "seem nice" but actually act in a deceiving way that doesn't break at least one of these other virtues?
The answer to both of these questions is "no." That's because those virtues are exactly what "niceness" means. It's simply not included because it's redundant. The phrase "be cool, bro" isn't included either. That doesn't mean you can go around acting in a way that is "uncool, bro" such as littering and vandalizing and still claim to be a Christian just beause "be cool, bro" isn't on the list. You would be breaking the other virtues anyway.
I fully admit that you can "not be nice" and align yourself with a few quotes from the Bible, but there are a lot of quotes in the Bible that have nothing to do with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness or self-control.
It is impossible to "not be nice" and also align yourself with the virtues of "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." That's just what being nice means.
Which is why I find his entire point about "niceness" not being in that specific list to be redundant and just a waste of words. It's not there because it doesn't need to be there. It doesn't add any value, and not having that word there doesn't take any value away. Exactly the same reason why "be cool, bro" isn't included.
The Christians also vilify same sex marriage. I will state publically that I believe that some men are attracted to their own gender, but I will also add that the purpose of such attraction is not to commune in the flesh with another man. The purpose of the attraction is, in my opinion, to minister spiritually to other men.
Yes, the link you provided makes the same mistake.
Are you trying to say that being against same sex marriage may not "be nice," but it is still "with the fruits of the Spirit"?
That doesn't work either. In being "against" men having sex with other men you are not acting with "kindness" or "joy" or "love."
If two men love each other and want to get married, and you simply speak your own personal opinion against such a thing... you are still specifically speaking against love. It's the first virtue in the list, even...
That is between us as individuals and GOD, creator of all seen and unseen...knowable only through His Son, Jesus.
Perhaps you should consider your own advice and actually leave it to God and Jesus.
When you even think (let alone actually say or write) about the idea that "the purpose of such attraction is not to commune in the flesh with another man;" then you are definitely not leaving it between those men and God. You are stuffing your thoughts of God and Jesus out into the world. Maybe your interpretation of the Bible is absolutely correct and this is exactly how God believes as well. You're still not letting it stay between those men and Jesus. You're injecting your voice.

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