States petition for secession

According to the website The White House 30 states have begun petitions to secede from the United States of America. While most of the states were states that went to Romney in last week's election, there were a few states that were kind of surprising. These include both Colorado and Oregon.This strikes me as very odd that so many people would want to act like petulant children over simply a loss of an election. It would take far more than President Obama to destroy our nation, even if that was his intended purpose. Also, all of these people are worried that Obama will ruin America and now they are actually going out of their way, taking steps to do that which they fear Obama will do. The lack of logic in these decisions seems quite telling to me.Have the people that are signing these petitions completely given up on logical thinking or do they actually think that A. Secession will be smooth and simple (totally was in the Civil War, right?) and B. That fracturing the Union is the best way to strengthen the United States in what they feel are trying times?I was thinking coffee house, but am amicable for any place that the topic ends up going.PS - Texas is already at 60,000 signatures and only 25,000 are required for the White House to respond to the petition, so they should get an answer soon. I have a funny feeling it will be a resounding "No".

Sorry, I forgot to really include my stance......I think that the people signing these petitions are personally whining and blatantly stating that they are not interested in working with each other to better the country. This idea has definitely not been thoroughly thought out! Breaking the Union in to multiple countries, each controlling their own destiny would be devastating to our country. If Mexico attacked Texas, how many of the states would rally to help this state that has controlled everyone's lives from afar? After all, they are the butt of a lot of jokes and now others would no longer feel obligated to help their fellow United Staters.At this time, it is important to find ways that we can work together, not further ways to fracture ourselves. I understand that your religious views are important to you and I would never tell someone how to raise his or her child. However, I do not share these views, nor will I ever vote based on those views. However, I can reason through the religious arguments and find ideas that make sense to better the country. Compromise is the key to making our country work, not stubbornness and internal warring. Individuals requesting that states rip apart the Union are simply showing that they are unwilling to listen to reason and would rather say, "Forget everyone else in the World, as long as I am happy".This is the opposite of the way our culture and our species should be moving. We should be looking for how we can get all of humanity working together, not continuing to break into more "Us" and "Thems"@ Admin - No this is not the same as "We Need States". That topic is about whether all states should be abolished leaving local government and Federal government. This is about the actual requests made by individuals living in States to Seced and become a separate Country. If you could move to coffee house that would be great, I wanted to ensure that I did things properly and I always have read proposed new topics as the proper place to go. I shall amend this and only request to open threads when I need to in the future. Thank you!

Yeah, I did not see any political connection either, and it seemed so ignorant that it should be fake. I have stopped giving so much leeway to the delusional though and find that there are people who probably do think this is a good idea. However, the fact that some people think this might be a great idea seems absolutely ludicrous to me.The one that is for the State of Texas seems to be well written and lists the fact that Texas has the 15th highest economy in the world. Yet, Texas is not fiscally responsible for any of the items that are covered by the Federal Government. Remove them from the system and then Texas will have to manage these funds on their own. Also, talk about giving the shaft to all of the Veterans from a state that served the US military. All of the benefits they receive would probably disappear upon changing to citizenship of the country of Texas (I could be wrong on this, and benefits could remain with changing citizenship. Someone please correct me if benefits would still be available for the soldiers)...There are so many things that are done at the Federal level that it seems extremely unlikely that a single state would manage it very well.

Okay, so if they chose to remain a US citizen, living in the country of Texas then Veteran's benefits could still be conferred but if they were to choose to join the citizenship of the country of Texas, renouncing US citizenship, then benefits are lost? Am I understanding that correctly now?Also, if it were to happen, should build a wall around Texas to keep illegal immigrants from coming into the United States?

Yeah, the infrastructure of our country is so interwoven that the attempting to separate would place such undue hardship upon the citizenry of the state attempting to do so. Again, it just seems like those who are advancing this idea are not even concerned with the actual details that would come along.@ Rahvin - I agree that we should have all learned our lesson from that whole Civil War thingy that happened. However, I will say that the infighting/arguing I saw this year was far more aggressive than any prior election year that I have seen.

You are correct and I should have been more clear in the opening that this is not from the states, but rather from some members of their population. However, every one that I looked at, even states that would not be expected (I did not check all of them) seemed to be started by someone in the state. Although, this does fit in perfectly with your comment of one nut living in Oregon could have started it.

LMAO! America! Home of the Free....unless things don't go our way and then we will seriously discuss leaving the Union.I was unaware how often secession had been a topic, but it seems that whenever we get our rights infringed upon slightly our first reaction is...Screw this, I am outta here!I would also like to point out that if this is Repubs completing these petitions, weren't they the individuals during the Bush administration saying, "if you don't like it, then leave the country"! They did not say, "If you don't like it, leave the country but please take some land with you."abe - The ones we are talking about are not legislative measures to secede at this time, but rather some members of the population have asked to secede through the whitehouse.gov petition site. You can find the full list following the link in the OP.Edited by Tempe 12ft Chicken, : No reason given.

I definitely agree that it is a humorous route for people to show they are upset. As far as rights being infringed, I am not agreeing that this is what is happening. I am simply stating that when specific individuals feel this way, this is the reaction our citizenships seems to react with. Such as, "That's fine, take away our guns, we will just leave."It is quite ludicrous to think the Government will allow this to even happen, but I find it even more ludicrous that this is how people react to the slightest inclination of not receiving their way.

The same A.A. Hodge who stated, "Faith must have adequate evidence, else it is mere superstition.?Also, the theme of this thread was actually about the complete ridiculousness of the idea of secession merely because a group lost an election, not how can we make two separate, but equal (sound familiar) governments.Now, as per your idea it is completely unfeasible! What happens if someone, looking at evidence as A.A. Hodge said to do, in a red country decides that they no longer believe in God, Jesus, or any of it, but would like rights still? Is the only option you give them deportation or conversion to maintain their rights? Are you allowing those with differing views to vote or is this to be a society where decisions are made only by the "True" Christians...if you are allowed to vote without being a "True" Christian, then what happens when the person who looked at the evidence begins to speak out against the injustices caused by the "True" Christian majority in this society? This can lead to a paradigm shift within your own hypothetical country.How will you silence them? And the fact that you would need to silence them is a great reason that what you are proposing is a Theocracy that will ultimately fail. How different were the views of the Kurds when they are compared with other Sunni Muslims? The small details matter when you have removed all large differences and this will be a problem in your proposed utopian society as well. Saddam did not deal with those with slightly different beliefs very kindly, now did he?I understand that you only want to deal with the basic hypothetical, not with the how the details would work, but without details we cannot determine if your idea is even remotely possible.ABE - My mistake, not all Kurds are Sunnis, but rather the majority of them are. So, the argument still stands although it seems to be more ethnic based than religion....but the idea of slight differences still plays.Edited by Tempe 12ft Chicken, : No reason given.