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foreveryoung
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Message 241 of 303 (678058)
11-04-2012 8:48 PM
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11-04-2012 11:52 AM


I honestly cannot tell when they do this. The music still sounds great. In some cases, it sounds better in my opinion.
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Theodoric
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Message 242 of 303 (678064)
11-04-2012 9:37 PM
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11-04-2012 8:48 PM


If
I honestly cannot tell when they do this.

How can you determine

The music still sounds great. In some cases, it sounds better in my opinion.

Sounds like you are just spewing dogma to spew dogma.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 243 of 303 (678066)
11-04-2012 9:50 PM
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11-04-2012 8:48 PM


I honestly cannot tell when they do this. The music still sounds great. In some cases, it sounds better in my opinion.

They changed their style to appeal to a larger audience. The black album was the beginning of the transition and they completed it by cutting their hair. They left their roots in the dust and went for popularity. Its 'corporate' because they're being strung along by the record labels and producers rather than just writing music from their hearts.


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Message 244 of 303 (678071)
11-04-2012 10:12 PM
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11-04-2012 8:48 PM


I
I admit to knowing next to nothing about Metallica or about 'metal' in general. But I do remember that when the first album Metallica came out with after Lars rant about Napster people said that Metallica had figured out a way to make albums that were Napster-proof. Namely by making them bad. I'm guessing that album must have been St. Anger.

I can't really back up a claim that Metallica's makes 'corporate' music now. I can't stand any of their stuff. I like Motorhead, but generally heavy metal just doesn't grab me.

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foreveryoung
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Message 245 of 303 (678206)
11-05-2012 11:53 PM
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11-04-2012 9:50 PM


Finally, someone gives me a clear meaning of what it is to be putting out "corporate music". Is "Till it sleeps" corporate music? It is pretty emotional to me and speaks to me emotionally. What does it matter if they are not making music from "their" hearts but, instead are speaking to "our" hearts collectively?
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foreveryoung
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Message 246 of 303 (678208)
11-06-2012 12:02 AM


The video for that one did not do a good job of showing the emotion of the song.

I like the energy they put into this remake of Bob Segers, more importantly, this video makes me sick to my stomach as far as the reality it portrays.


    
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Message 247 of 303 (678211)
11-06-2012 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 245 by foreveryoung
11-05-2012 11:53 PM


Finally, someone gives me a clear meaning of what it is to be putting out "corporate music".

Well, we're not all dicks here.

Is "Till it sleeps" corporate music?

Yes. The Hook <--. clicky.. comes in at about 27 seconds:

Holy fuck they won't even let me "utube" to that one! If that ain't corporate then I don't know what is! Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHVv7Mz2_Bo

So yeah, 27 seconds to the hook. Gotta have that mass appeal if you know what I mean. In case you don't: music has to appeal to a big audience to be "pop" and that's what Metallica fell into.

Compare that to the awesome song "For Whom the Bell Tolls", where the "hook" comes at about 2:40:

I'm actually somewhat of a musician. That is, I have a piano in my house and can read music and I play music every day. I'm not in a band or anything, because I pretty much just play for myself, but I know and understand music. In fact, I'll rock your fucking socks off on that exact song on the piano if you want me to upload a video to youtube - let me know. Seriously, I will upload a video of me paying that song on the piano just for you.

So seriously, there's the difference of "mass appeal" vs. music from the heart, so tell me if you're not gettting that point (no offense).

It is pretty emotional to me and speaks to me emotionally. What does it matter if they are not making music from "their" hearts but, instead are speaking to "our" hearts collectively?

The difference is the "corporation" speaking to you with what they want you to hear versus the band just speaking from their heart with with whatever you may or may not want to hear. The one side is being a salesman while the other side is being an artist.

Yeah? Makes sense?


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fearandloathing
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Message 248 of 303 (679492)
11-14-2012 2:53 AM



Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
― Isaac Asimov

"You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury


    
fearandloathing
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Message 249 of 303 (679493)
11-14-2012 2:59 AM



Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
― Isaac Asimov

"You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury


    
fearandloathing
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Message 250 of 303 (679494)
11-14-2012 3:03 AM



Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
― Isaac Asimov

"You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury


    
fearandloathing
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Message 251 of 303 (679968)
11-16-2012 8:22 PM



Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
― Isaac Asimov

"You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury


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foreveryoung
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Message 252 of 303 (679975)
11-16-2012 10:21 PM
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11-16-2012 8:22 PM


I absolutely hated this song when it came out and I still do. I turn off greenday every day then Awipe comes on the radio.
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onifre
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Message 253 of 303 (681941)
11-28-2012 6:49 PM


Some of my early work:
C'mon Dr. A! Let's Ride

This could be your 10k post party Dr. A.

How can you not know this? Crank it up!

- Oni


    
Omnivorous
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Message 254 of 303 (681948)
11-28-2012 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by fearandloathing
11-16-2012 8:22 PM


Twofer for foreveryoung
I've been a big Green Day fan since...forever. I fondly recall the shock on my teenage nephews' faces at my 60th birthday party when I played a solid two hours of GD.

I think American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown are brilliant. I don't let a day go by without rocking the house with at least a few GD tracks. I have a semi-soundproofed basement with a pair of Bose 901 IVs and a pair of Acoustic Research IIIs, hooked up to a 500 watt amp.

So when I say rock the house, I mean rock the house: the neighbors can't hear me, but dust drifts down from the first floor joists.

Last of the American Girls (also from American Idiot) joins an august list of anthems to the world's most extraordinary women: I recommend one to foreveryoung--all that angst can be cured overnight, kid.

I can never listen to it only once.

And Horseshoes and Handgrenades? This one's for foreveryoung, too.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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onifre
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Message 255 of 303 (681954)
11-28-2012 9:13 PM
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11-28-2012 7:48 PM


Re: Twofer for foreveryoung
I fondly recall the shock on my teenage nephews' faces at my 60th birthday party when I played a solid two hours of GD.

That's awesome. I hope I'll be that kind of old(er) dude too.

- Oni


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