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Author Topic:   Pat Robertson denies Young Earth Creationism
Omnivorous
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Message 76 of 86 (682091)
11-29-2012 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by kofh2u
11-29-2012 9:40 PM


Re: interesting?
So you've demonstrated that God punished America?
Could you do it again? I missed it.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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jar
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Message 77 of 86 (682092)
11-29-2012 9:49 PM
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11-29-2012 9:40 PM


Re: interesting?
Typical bullshit.
Pat is full of shit if he asserts God is punishing the sexually promiscuous America with all these social problems and even 911 and unless you bring God in so we can place Her on trial if true, it will simply remain bullshit.
And what does even that have to do with the topic?
In addition, IIRC what was said is that Pat Robertson was wrong more often then a stopped clock.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 78 of 86 (682093)
11-29-2012 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by kofh2u
11-29-2012 9:33 PM


Re: interesting?
Your math is bullshit, guy.
And none of that has anything to do with welfare being as much as defense, which it isn't.
And NONE of that has anything to do with this thread.

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jar
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Message 79 of 86 (682094)
11-29-2012 9:51 PM
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11-29-2012 9:41 PM


Re: interesting?
Yup, that is another bullshit source, the link I supplied though is the actual 2012 figures.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 80 of 86 (682095)
11-29-2012 9:51 PM
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11-29-2012 4:48 PM


Because it is a bunch of garbage, just like the universe beginning to exist in and from non-existence.
God Bless,
?
How is "in the beginning God created the heavens including the Earth" any different than what scientists basically say?
It is clear that the Universe DID have a beginning, 13.9 billion years ago.
Gen. 1:1 In the beginning, (the Formative/Cosmology Era), God, (the Uncaused First Cause, or the Dark Energy which pre-existed the material Universe, perhaps), created... (all that which has followed the Big Bang from the singularity of Planck Time which consisted of
Seven Stages:
1) The Inflation Era
2) The Quark Era
3) Hadron Era
4) Lepton Era
5) Nucleosynthesis Era
6) Opaque Era
7) Matter Era,...
in an enormous Einsteinian energy transformation, E = mC^2),...
... the (matter composing the) heaven (beyond the Solar System) and the (accretion disk which congealed into the planet) earth.
(Gen 1:1)
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Message 81 of 86 (682096)
11-29-2012 9:58 PM


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Pat Robertson finally got something right. He should be congratulated. Him actually getting something right is a big deal and maybe he might even get a gold star in his permanent record.

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Message 82 of 86 (682098)
11-29-2012 10:01 PM


kofh2u writes:
How is "in the beginning God created the heavens including the Earth" any different than what scientists basically say?
That's obvious. the Big bang happened 14 billion years ago, the earth was 4 billion years ago.
That's a 10 billion year lapse between the formation of an early universe and the formation of the earth.
If you divide the age of the universe up into thirds, the earth has only existed in the last 3rd, not "in the beginning."
The earth is a very late phenonena in the existence of the universe. Your geocentric model has not been a part of scientific thinking for hundreds of years.

  
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Message 83 of 86 (682102)
11-29-2012 10:20 PM


Summary
Pat Robertson said something that was correct, and was not what we would have expected of him. I welcome his rejection of the YEC account.
Unsurprisingly, Ken ham disagrees.
That was the main point of the thread. There was also a lot of off-topic discussion that does not warrant summarizing.

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Message 84 of 86 (682104)
11-29-2012 10:22 PM


Hi all,
jar we finally agree on something, Pat Robertson should be aplauded for his stand on the age of the Earth.
3 cheers for Pat.
kofh2u if you would like to discuss what Genesis says about creation start a thread and we will have a go at it. It's one of my favorite subjects.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

  
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Message 85 of 86 (682154)
11-30-2012 9:36 AM


Summation
I don't know if Pat got all of the details right, but he did indeed get the most important thing right. Teaching your kids crap is the best way to lose their attention. It's also a pretty good way to insure that they can never be involved in a whole bunch of scientific careers that they might otherwise find enjoyable and profitable.
And all for what? To embrace beliefs that have absolutely no bearing on your salvation or following Christ? Then where is the profit?
And Pat got the next most important part right as well. If you believe that God created the universe, then you must believe that the universe is a testimony to God. I just don't see how it could be otherwise.

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Message 86 of 86 (682164)
11-30-2012 11:01 AM


Summation - the earth is old, get used to it.
Pat says you have dinosaur fossils and you have radiocarbon dating and Bishop Ussher is wrong, and you should teach your children what science reveals as evidence of reality.
Of course it isn't just radiocarbon dating, but a whole slew of radiometric and other dating methods that all show the earth is old, very old, and they show it in a consistent pattern, a pattern that cannot be explained by such methods being erroneous or prone to massive errors.
The age of the earth is not a matter of debate, it is a matter of looking at the evidence and either:
(A) accepting the evidence and theories of science as the best consistent explanation, or
(B) rejecting the evidence of virtually every science known in favor of a belief, and an interpretation, that is contradicted by the evidence and theories of science.
de•lu•sion -noun (American Heritage Dictionary 2009)
  1. a. The act or process of deluding.
    b. The state of being deluded.
  2. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
  3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.
The earth is old: get used to it.
Enjoy.

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