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Faith 
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Message 53 of 102 (684238)
12-16-2012 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by PaulK
12-16-2012 5:06 AM


Re: Faith and Science
should be the other way around. You should be insisting that your "scientific evidence" conform to the Bible because the Bible IS God's word. Radiometric dating cannot show that the Bible is incorrect; the Bible shows that radiometric dating is incorrect.
Why do we have to accept your preferred interpretation of the Bible as absolute truth in spite of the evidence? Isn't it YOUR job to - at the least - convince us that God actually does claim that the Earth is young ?
*My* interpretation of the Bible is the historical interpretation of the Bible that was accepted in the formative years of Geology. There's nothing peculiar to *me* about my interpretation, it's quite standard. A lot of novel, corrupted and liberal ideas have sprung up over the last century but I'm representing the traditional historical interpretation. I don't see that I should have any obligation to prove that God claims the Earth is young when that was the standard historical Christian understanding of Genesis for all orthodox believers back to the beginning (with the exception of Augustine and a few others who had an allegorical understanding of it). Surely you are aware of this history.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Faith 
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Message 55 of 102 (684268)
12-16-2012 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by NoNukes
12-16-2012 10:17 PM


Re: Faith and Science
My* interpretation of the Bible is the historical interpretation of the Bible that was accepted in the formative years of Geology. There's nothing peculiar to *me* about my interpretation, it's quite standard.
By formative years, you would have to mean prior to the nineteenth century back during the time when people believed that the sun and planets orbited the earth.
That is not a Biblical viewpoint, that was the pagan view of Aristotle that came into the ROMAN church via Aquinas.
No, I had in mind the historical BIBLICAL view that is still the view of true Christians, has never changed, but I think PaulK is into all the apostate revisionist views which got big since the early part of the 20th century. The true Biblical understanding, again, has always been shared by majority Bible believers and still is.
The fact is that YEC belief was in serious decline before its revival in the twentieth century.
Not among Christians who call themselves Bible believers.
I don't see that I should have any obligation to prove that God claims the Earth is young when that was the standard historical Christian understanding of Genesis for all orthodox believers back to the beginning
You don't have to prove anything. But in a discussion forum it is not unreasonable to make attempts at persuasion, which generally requires evidence. I'm just not sure that such an attempt is really on topic here.
It's not.
As I understand it, the purpose of this thread is to discuss whether tectonic plate friction raises any issues that reject a YEC interpretation.
Go for it.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Faith 
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Message 58 of 102 (684299)
12-17-2012 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by NoNukes
12-17-2012 12:05 AM


Re: Faith and Science
No, I had in mind the historical BIBLICAL view that is still the view of true Christians, has never changed
I understand that. The problem is that what you had in mind is wrong. There was no universal view among Christians in the early twentieth century that the earth was only 6000 years old. I'm not even sure that it was the majority view among Christians.
I suggest you don't know a lot about the history of Christianity or of the churches either or what people believe in those churches today.
Granted there has been a steady erosion of true Biblical belief for a couple centuries or so, and it may be worse than I know, but the erosion -- the liberalism, the compromising, the revisionist "scholarship" -- accounts for the nonYEC views and the YEC views are clearly the most reasonable reading of the Bible, and that's what makes a Bible believer a Bible believer. I believe this is still the majority view amojng believers today until shown otherwise.
I don't subscribe to it now, although my wife does. I know that you define real Christians to include only those people who are YEC, but IMO, that's complete nonsense.
I'm on record here in a number of places including nonYEC's among "real Christians" so you are wrong about that. While I think Genesis is extremely important to the gospel itself, I've allowed that there are probably true believers who give in to science on that, although they shouldn't and I think it's sad that this has happened. I regard them as "real Christians" if they hold to the doctrines of salvation nevertheless.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 78 of 102 (685051)
12-20-2012 10:05 AM


Nontechnical language request
Since this topic bears on the claims of Young Earth Creationists, I would very much appreciate it if the participants would put their thoughts into simple English and avoid the technical language so I can follow the discussion. Thank you.

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