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morningstar2008
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Message 147 of 194 (684282)
12-16-2012 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Coyote
12-16-2012 10:40 PM


Coyote
Coyote I will try to keep this simple.
Radiocarbon dating only works for the last 50,000 years. It does not deal with peat or coal.
I have submitted about 600 radiocarbon samples, and know the technique fairly well.
If you think that it is wrong, please state your reasons in clear and simple terms and we can discuss them.
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Please!
Promote your thesis.
But I assure you only look at it as rejected needle trust can say all of this is integral hastily erected technique leaves you a chance to look at other options. And believe me it's true. http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...702.1/0_8006f_cb87f24f_XXL.jpg

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Message 149 of 194 (684297)
12-17-2012 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Percy
12-16-2012 11:51 PM


Re: This Thread is About Creationist Problems with Radiocarbon Dating
You say that Google Translate provides quality translation. But I do that this is why you do not notice. It is in our Russian saying to him talk and let him baptized. And that is typical to my arguments have not yet issued any either positive or negative verdict. And again I want to ask the old sores Global cracks are able to reduce the level of the oceans rather logical version of what would have to start checking more on the strength of this version? You can believe me that while we will not have an adequate understanding of the Earth's crust takes considerable reserves of water in it crack and we will not be able to reverse radiocarbon studies. They are not able to give accurate information on either the right or the left. The only reliable data can only account for the age-old rings, as is done in the calculation of a timber. Also, I maybe suppressed while other effective methods, but these methods will be effective only after the adoption of my first program of action.
But I saw one sign that prevents you from moving forward in time. He bound with chains as your movements. Are you addicted to the idea of how to behave But creationists cancel this ill-fated carbon dating? Personally, I'm not serious when the audience did not take this. Theirs God has forbidden them to do all kinds of scientific thinking. Only what is written in the Bible and not something more. So in the light of the kingdom of light will not come 2,000 years. But rather to a new Advent. Our Russia in the conduct of our homegrown scientists can also be painting a portrait of the biblical kingdom. In their pockets ponapehano not one book of quotations. And they behave like creationists look into their "bible" and live only according to these laws. And in your community I've noticed is merely an ideological race. Whose language is more eloquent. Blast off on their talk and you'll be all right.
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Message 151 of 194 (684303)
12-17-2012 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by RAZD
12-16-2012 11:19 PM


Re: for RAZD -- problems with creationists use of 14C
RAZD I think you got carried away a little over this theory. And it basically swallowed up your mind. And I suppose. This absorption can be compared to the likeness of religion is integral to all the faithful believer. Take a break for a while. Just read my posts. You absolutely do not read what I'm trying to prove. I do not know whether to paint all in minute detail what your method is wrong .. I did not want and do not intend to copy kreotsionistov. They have their own. And if you put it on the scales or you kreotsionisty far this topic has not come. Already since the flood.
And for the future. I just do not know what the arguments made in particular lead to your delusions. Sorry for the tautology.
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Message 152 of 194 (684304)
12-17-2012 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by NoNukes
12-17-2012 1:38 AM


Re: NoNukes
But I would like you to be done on all counts. After all, I have not finished the conversation.

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Message 155 of 194 (684314)
12-17-2012 3:28 AM
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12-17-2012 1:46 AM


Re: Calibration of Radiocarbon Dating and an old earth
This is a single chronology formed by alternating biological deposition (diatoms in summer) and sediment deposition (clay in winter). The clay is being deposited all year, but settles slower than the diatoms, so in the summer (when a lot of diatoms grow and die) there are more diatom shells than clay, while in the winter (when diatom growth is halted) there is more clay deposited than diatoms.
... it is over 29,000 years long, and it overlaps and lines up perfectly with the dendrochronology above. The annual varves run for a period of 29,100 years (from 8,830 back to 37,930 cal yr BP when aligned with the tree chronology).
The varve layers continue down below the limits of C-14 dating to ~100,000 years, however the data below 37,930 cal yr BP level uses an estimated rate of sedimentation rather than actual layer counts. Using only the actual layer counts we end up with either of these two scenarios:
A. This chronology does not overlap the one from the tree-ring data (in spite of several thousand years of matching Carbon-14 levels), and the minimum age of the earth is 12,460 + 29,100 (+/-) = ~39,560 (+/-) years old (and likely more depending on the length of the gap), OR
B. These chronologies do overlap, as determined by matching the "C-14 age" curves, and the minimum age of the earth is 37,930 (+/-) years BP (1950) = ~35,980 (+/-) years old in 2010.
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That's fine as I can see your theory, too, does not stand still. And the effect is much more fruitful than any of even the most tricked method of radiocarbon dating. But I am your method I would like to add a system that violates these catastrophes annual deposits, and sometimes even stop them altogether. So dating method will then create a complete chain when we recognize every one end of the world. Typically these endpoints provide assumption that the disaster has destroyed all leaving no chance of survival, even bacteria. And I am sure that you are on the verge of opening. http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...702.1/0_80089_6a41d77c_XXL.jpg

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Message 156 of 194 (684315)
12-17-2012 3:35 AM
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12-17-2012 1:52 AM


Re: for RAZD -- problems with creationists use of 14C
With this brother to long pre long run. And by the way, I did not promise similar successes.

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Message 159 of 194 (684327)
12-17-2012 7:49 AM
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12-17-2012 3:49 AM


Re: Calibration of Radiocarbon Dating, an old earth, and calibrations
a little clarification:
(1) the annual layers are not catastrophic, they are normal annual events occurring over many days,
(2) the correlations between the different data needs to be explained.
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Very well that you have asked me this question. First vaunted translator gave the wrong information that I gave. And you did the right thing that we decided to clarify. I agree to a change of correlation transitions, but do not know how our interpreter works. Smooth layered limestone rocks of Cretaceous rocks can be calculated until the end when they end Cretaceous layers indicates that at this time the crash occurred. In coals that disaster is difficult to determine from the fact that the disaster which the coal seams rather peculiar. As I said coal is burned peat. But this is partially washed peat streams coming down the flood waters. But this is not a flood that draw kreotsionisty. This is different. On this subject, I at one time all the teeth crumble. I do not recognize this type of disaster. The truth was a little difficult, but I managed. All because of an asteroid, but it is not the Chicxulub. It is not known to science. But it is to him we owe the recession of the continents in different directions. Asteroid impact caused the crack in the lithosphere of the Earth's environment and when magma began digging out. Began large-scale fires. A peatland that were deep underground on fire without oxygen. As for the asteroid is the Mariana Trench is just a place to drop. But this, in my opinion, digression. After we will talk about it. I gave the picture. You probably remember her well. There limestone covered with layers of sandstone. As for them, too, I sandstones investigated and accurately know what time they were formed. And that became a bed of limestone sandstone, this factor is also a correlation moments. I do not why this limestone do not know, hard to master image goes to the contact. But I think this is where, in Tajikistan. But, none the less. I just look at the picture that would give a precise definition. But so far, however, these periods of life of the earth to me are little known. We still have to work hard.
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morningstar2008
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Message 160 of 194 (684329)
12-17-2012 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Panda
12-17-2012 7:19 AM


Re: Suggestion
Friends do not hesitate to ask again. I, too, feel at ease. And a translator speak not easy. That word swallow goals phrases. In general, I think it's time to move on to another level. I give you the original article so that you would have tried all sorts of ways to translate their own. Do not use just my interpretation.

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Message 161 of 194 (684332)
12-17-2012 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by RAZD
12-17-2012 3:49 AM


Re: Calibration of Radiocarbon Dating, an old earth, and calibrations
For instance: what would cause a change in radioactive decay of 14C at precisely the same time as the rate of deposition of the annual layers changes?
The 14C data are on an exponential curve, while the annual layer deposition is a linear function.
How do you explain that?
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While I do not explain it as. Firstly the quality of translation for this dialogue is not up to par. And in the second. I need to know all the dysfunction of your program. Nevertheless, everything depends on the quality of the translation. I basically decided for myself a very important aspect I can see that you are not marking time. What is doing. That to me is a joyful event. I am sure that my tips also later play a big role. So the whole thing for you. And I? As we say, above the head can not jump. I already made ​​a big breakthrough for you unless of course I say that it means. Although I hope that in time you will understand all of what I told you. As for me, my country is not interested in the advancement of science. They are now more lay on the pocket. Now there is a massive looting of natural values. Them as if not before.

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Message 164 of 194 (684394)
12-17-2012 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Percy
12-17-2012 8:21 AM


Re: Calibration of Radiocarbon Dating, an old earth, and calibrations
Do you have any specific problems with radiocarbon dating that you'd like to raise?
--Percy
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Well, I'm by and large one of the problems highlighted. And you talk to me after that coal and chalk are not problems of radiocarbon dating. That there seems to be all right. Although it is here and this is not all it should. I did not write dating for one reason. This topic is more serious than you can imagine. Once again I am forced to repeat you have traveled. Earth cracks in the roof of a constant sequence, and if that does not notice at all what purpose is that the priorities of the vital functions of whatever they have not been tested for certain methods will be considered meaningless. I also simultaneously planning astrophysical catastrophe that experienced Earth. And they in turn left on the surface is not less noticeable scars. Science about them too little of that does not speak. But their identification will lead to more accurate dating. Unfortunately, these problems are not considered paleontological institutes. And by him orientations no one put. What is the Solar System? What time it is released to the existence of life? When the process of life on Earth? When it should end? What will happen after the extinction of life on Earth? What will happen after the extinction of life on Earth? All these and many other questions that need to look for an answer now. Then you have the answer to your question, he will emerge. For granted. Do you think that these questions you have answered in detail. I'll tell you. You are mistaken. To any of these questions you do not have the answers. You want that, I'd give you all of these questions answered. But I want to warn you, it will be another science. I gave you a short section of the science. You get lost in it. What about you if I'll give you all the information? Although, neither of which you will not. But I've had enough apoplectic. And not because of what you each joint of the science will grind. And sometimes with a hammer. Apoplectic because I cover it arhiobemny material. Which contains more and incidental evidence. And I'm also not sure that our translator is ready for such an overload. So I propose a simple step by step, not by leaps and bounds, and small shazhochkami. Even though this is the smallest shazhochek you as I understood, failed miserably. Until you have not got it. The pace at which the world go by as it is moved from one platform to another. Of course, you may be offended by my tactless behavior. But you have to understand. I am not prepared to speak right now in front of such a large audience. And it is not yet what she offered. A theory must be finely balanced or edited at one time, and most importantly can not be read in such a terrible translation. Perhaps, after all, I hastened to declare itself. I'm also on every point of my discoveries are not being must explain. While in your community is a RAZD. Look to his theory, I think it has something to show.
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Message 166 of 194 (684420)
12-17-2012 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Percy
12-17-2012 2:03 PM


Re: Calibration of Radiocarbon Dating, an old earth, and calibrations
Of all of these reasons, I realized one thing. You want to get rid of you uncomfortable conversation. And it is not important to know me you do not understand Russian, or I in all languages of the world. But there is one way to analyze my words. This is the original text that I put in the link below. The only disadvantage is that it must be translated by hand. But I guess so. Who will be interested in that transfer. But when I show at the door. I understand that even without a bad translation. By the way you the only one who seemed to me speaks Russian. But this fact I have little worries. The reality is that quite simply argued. Do not mess with a pig's snout Kalashny number. http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...702.1/0_80109_13062a71_XXL.jpg

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Message 169 of 194 (684556)
12-17-2012 8:42 PM
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12-17-2012 3:04 PM


Re: Calibration of Radiocarbon Dating, an old earth, and calibrations
Tell me what you do it would be like. I will follow your advice. Once that is profitable? I came here with a suitcase full of his proposals. I want to give them away. The fact that this burden will not burn my shoulders. In the house, for some reason, I say the same thing. I thought that foreign friends will be smarter. Why would you make a problem out of the blue? I do not take it as a point?
Tell me what you do it would be like. I will follow your advice. Once that is profitable? I came here with a suitcase full of his proposals. I want to give them away. The fact that this burden will not burn my shoulders. In the house, for some reason I could say the same thing. I thought that foreign friends will be smarter. Why would you make a problem out of the blue? I do not take it as a point?

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Message 172 of 194 (684565)
12-17-2012 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Dr Adequate
12-17-2012 6:28 PM


Re: Calibration of Radiocarbon Dating, an old earth, and calibrations
Guys read the original. He's under my every post. That's all I can offer. And get out of my skin to turn it inside out and then again to get into it. I already powerless to do. You probably do not like the fact that I run into radiocarbon dating, which you so ardently support it. But if this method did not create such a global problem. And I said that almost all tied dating world science. And one wrong decision can distort the entire chain.
Guys read the original. I have it under every post. This is all that I can offer. And get out of my skin turn it inside out and log back into it. I was powerless. You probably do not like the fact that I run in radiocarbon dating, which you so ardently support it. But if this method does not create a global problem. And I said, almost all connected dating world science. And one wrong decision can distort the entire chain.

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Message 173 of 194 (684570)
12-17-2012 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Coyote
12-17-2012 8:52 PM


Re: Radiocarbon Dating
You need to tell us clearly why you think radiocarbon dating is inaccurate.
Several of us know quite a bit about the subject.
I have submitted about 600 samples, and have lectured and written on the subject. In fact, I just received the results of a sample today.
Keep it simple, and in English.
___________________________
There was a suggestion to cancel the radiocarbon dating past 50,000 years the statute of limitations. Maybe he's right. But only on terms that will actually distort the picture. But I promise you in the dating 20000000000 years.
You can screw up your eyes who do not believe in what they read. But it is. There are also breed in 50000000000 years or more. And do not take me sick. That chalk drawn 20 and which crushed limestone on top of sandstone array exceeds 50. As I drove my calculations? Sorry but these details need to go step by step counting each step a separate tape. I am 8 years created his theory. 8 years of hard work. Do not know can you can find a way and a bit shorter. But I analyzed and compared every single breed. Recorded all of its flaws. How much damage it time. And the stones which unfortunately is mercilessly. The strongest stone silicon outer part of which is damaged to the shedding from the surface of grains. But I do not know its exact dating for lack of an intermediary. For cemented sandstone that as I learned long ago not covered limestone cliffs. The same story is not short of. Cemented sandstone mountains. Grand Canyon is just one of them, were formed in a certain era. How to calculate the age of one, and how they change. Well, if you follow logically that if the sandstone crushed limestone hill above the sequence goes from the bottom up. And now I will reveal more stunning results of their research and who have weak nerves can screw up my eyes and my ears. Our planet is not be covered once powerful tsunami firestorm. The result of which was a nuclear explosion of a supernova. Supernova that means mega huge. From here and probably trace iridium and spraying lead and plutonium. Each deposition result of such disasters but with different time intervals. It is clear that the decay of uranium goes through several stages and tracks are spraying stage collapse to the floor collapse. But this is just a summary of which should still work.
Now excuse me as time is always short. Must have been a half an hour to run. And if you do not run away before I can and will continue. Their fables. Only the desire to do it melts every day as iridium footprint. Maybe by that that does not listen carefully?
_________________
There was a proposal to cancel the radiocarbon dating of the last 50,000 years, the statute of limitations. Maybe he's right. But only on condition that actually distort. But I promise you, in the dating 20000000000 years.
You can spoil your eyes who do not believe in what they are reading. But it is. There are also breed in 50000000000 or more years. And do not get me sick. Chalk it turns 20 and that of crushed limestone on top of sandstone massif than 50. When I drove my calculations? Sorry, but those details have to go step by step, counting each step separate tape. I am 8 years old his theory. 8 years of hard work. Do not know if you can find a route and a little shorter. But I have analyzed and compared each breed. Have it's drawbacks. How much damage it time. And the stones, which, unfortunately, mercilessly. The strongest stone silicon outer part is damaged to the shedding from the surface of the grain. But I do not know its exact dating for the lack of intermediaries. For cement sandstone, which, as I learned long ago not covered limestone cliffs. The same story is not enough. Solid mountain of sandstone. The Grand Canyon is only one of them, were formed in a certain era. How to calculate the age of one, and how they change. Well, if you logically follows that if the sandstone Crushed limestone hill above the sequence goes from the bottom up. And now I will show more stunning results of their research, and who have weak nerves can ruin my eyes and ears. Our planet will not be covered once powerful tsunami storm. The result, which was a nuclear explosion of a supernova. Supernova, this means that the mega huge. Hence, perhaps, trace iridium and spraying lead and plutonium. Each deposition from such disasters, but with different time intervals. It is clear that the decay of uranium goes through several stages and paths spraying stage of the collapse to the floor collapse. But this is only a summary, which should work.
Now, excuse me, just never enough. It must have been half an hour to run. And if you did not run away before I can and will continue. Their fables. Only the desire to make it melt each day as iridium footprint. Perhaps, by the fact that not listen carefully?
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Message 176 of 194 (684588)
12-18-2012 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by RAZD
12-17-2012 10:14 PM


Re: Radiocarbon Dating and basics of radioactive decay
easier to read with comma delimiters: 20,000,000,000 ... or say 20 billion or 20x10^9 or 20e+9.
RAZD Thanks for the future necessarily uchtu.

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