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Ok it was just some of your shit you fling to see if it sticks. Nice to know.ABE
Like your AR-10 misinformation.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

I can't respond to every message, Theodoric; if you feel you're being ignored, it's because your content doesn't rise to the level where it catches my attention. I didn't even see the message you're replying to, here.

ditto, regarding Norwegian violent crime rates.(On an entirely different topic, this isn't addressed to any person in particular, maybe it's time we all research how to communicate with people who have Asperger syndrome. We watched in on the big screen "The Social Network", the shooter in connecticut may have had it, and who knows, perhaps some forum members have it too)Edited by dronester, : Asspergers

Hi Faith,I'm not citing any actual statistics, I'm just describing the relationship. But I've looked at the statistics others have cited in this thread and they're pretty much in line with what I've seen before. It is clear that by nation the higher the prevalence of guns the higher the incidence of gun deaths.This is pretty much just what one would expect. The more you have of anything, the more you'll experience its effects. The more car miles driven, the more accidents. The more eaten, the more fat. The more guns, the more gun deaths.Certainly one must grant as fact at least one point on the graph: zero guns must correspond to zero gun deaths. Since negative deaths are not possible the graph can only rise from that point. Gun deaths will never begin declining with increasing gun prevalence because the majority of gun-related deaths are suicides.But your position, as I understand it, is that as gun prevalence increases *homicides* begin decreasing. I haven't seen any evidence of this. By the way, if the hero from the Internet cafe had killed the robbers, it would have been homicide - justifiable homicide.--Percy

Ok you have seen it now.2 things.State Armies and Norwegian crime.In the words of Linda RichmanDiscuss

I tell you what, when you get caught up on the 50 or so unanswered questions you've failed to address over the last two years, then maybe you can expect a reply from me on these matters.That applies to anyone who feels unsatisfied that I've not turned my attention to them. You may rest assured that the feeling that challenges are going ignored, questions unanswered, claims unsupported is deeply, deeply mutual.

No one is asking me to support something I said.If you can't back your claims that is fine. I was just looking for verification that is was shit you couldn't back. Thanks for confirming.

I do not have a obsession with the caliber. I was stating that one way to reduce the amount of people killin folks with bullets is to limit the amount of bullets. In other words make it harder to acquire ammunition for the firearms.It seems to me there are more than enough guns out there, but if legislation was passed to stop the manufacture of ammunition then the only way they could use a gun to kill would be as a bludgeon.

The table shows a rise in gun related crime each year from 1990 until 2002/3 (that's thirteen years).After 2002/3 it shows a decrease every year until 2010/11. That's 9 years (inclusive).The figure declines from 22,070 in 2002/3 to 11,227 in 2010/11I'm also being generous - the number actually stabilises in 2001/2 when it hit 22,401. No we don't.We say - several times - that we would actually expect the gun related crime to INCREASE. This is partly inertia as a rise that has been occurring for many years doesn't just stop dead. It takes many years to depopulate the installed base of gun ownership. Gun related crime will obviously also rise after a change in the law because the police implement action against a new crime and people take a while to get used to it. You actually mean 2003/4 There are 6 years between 1997/98 and 2003/4 and, as I said, the numbers stabilised in 2001/2. So let's agree that the crime numbers started to decline 5 or 6 years after the Firearm Act was passed. That's just idiotic. Look at the numbers again. Gun related crime had been rising every year for 14 years - it just carried on going up.
In fact, if you look at table 2, you'll see that gun related crime had been increasing year on year for the last 35 years.We must assume that it would have kept on going up forever (if for no other reason than the population is increasing) unless something happened that could change the situation. That's odd because the entire world knows that except in very special circumstances, the police in the UK are NOT armed. THE GUN RELATED CRIME FIGURES IN THE UK HAVE FALLEN EVERY YEAR SINCE 2003/4. GET THAT INTO YOUR SKULL ANYWAY YOU CAN.People in the UK are half as likely to suffer gun related crime than they were in 2003/4. Prior to that gun crime was rising. Something made it change from a 35 year increase to a year on year decline - now what do you think might have been the cause?
I'm betting it's the introduction and implementation of the 1997 Firearm Act which removed guns from the population - stupid, I know.In 2011 there were 60 murders in the UK using guns.
In the USA it was 11,101. Who's the safest?
(and all this excludes suicides - 19,766 in the US last year)

Except that is not the case, since many gun enthusiasts know how to reload their own shell casings. In fact, there is even a wikihow page explaining exactly the steps to do so. All an individual would have to have to replenish ammunition is a small bag of shell casings. The rest can be put together pretty simply. How to Reload Ammo: 10 StepsIn fact, no offense intended to my friend (he would agree with my assessment of his intelligence), but I have a friend who is about middle of the road on intelligence and he regularly refills his casings for his .45 Glock, because the ammunition is simply cheaper for him that way. So, you do not even have to be a genius to manage to make ammunition should the government ban new ammo.Edited by Tempe 12ft Chicken, : No reason given.Edited by Tempe 12ft Chicken, : No reason given.

The crime rate in America is almost nil except for inner city America where the murders take place and the WELFARE SYSTEM incubates fatherless kids whio never recognize authority figures thereafter.Go figure.
We will all NEED guns at some point as The Wild West returns with a vengence of 30 million "cowboys" filling the streets we once walk our dogs on with safety and pleasure.

I think the whole reloading thing is a red herring.Lets discuss reloading.Yes it is fairly easy to do. Lots of gun enthusiasts reload. You can also regulate this. There are consumables. Gun powder, bullets and primers are needed for each new cartridge or shell. Brass and shell casings are reloadable but there is a limit to number of times they can be reloaded. If you can regulate cartridges you can regulate powder, bullets and primers.Also, your reloader, typically, isn't the type of guy that is buying a gun to create mayhem and violence. Some I am sure will. This would do what regulation on ammo would do, make it more difficult to acquire the amount of ammo needed to cause mayhem.Will it stop it all? No. But it is a step in the direction of some sort of relegating of guns. No.

And the murder rate in the US is actually four times that of the UK.So even if you're three times more likely to be robbed or assaulted...you're four times more likely to live.Why is it that you continue to ignore the murder rate statistic, crash? All this ad hominem about how Panda is "irrationally ignoring evidence out of nationalistic fervor," and you're ignoring the more important statistic.Unless you'd rather be murdered than robbed.Edited by Rahvin, : No reason given.

But you can make your own bullets, is the problem. Just like how you can "make" your own drugs, with the predictable result that drugs, a lucrative product forced into the black market by blanket bans, became the leading cause of gun violence in the US.

The Big 12 footer Bird writes: This still requires special equipment that could be banned. And it still seems to require a bullet. See Step 8. Where the fuck did the bullet come from? Lead can be obtained, but we're talking equipment to melt it into shape good enough for this procedure.Edited by xongsmith, : Not even close to a typo! Wow....