Who hurts the US Healthcare system worse?

Here I am focused on what is hurting our USA Health Care System.1) America almost has had a Universal Health Care System in place, with 40% of the American Families now getting free medicaid as part of the Welfare benefit package.And give or take the 10% of the young people who refuse to buy Insurance, the 10% of the uninsured between jobs at all times, the 10% illegals, and 10% working poor who are those people who actually will still be left out, Obamacare seems way expensive.The estimated $10.5 Trillion dollar Budget increase for Welfare plus this $1.7 Trillion dollar Obamacare increase ads to $12.2 Trillion dollars which seems important to examine. Pretty much doubling every ten years? 2) What I see as hurting the Health Care System is the INCREASE of Demand for service, which has had the effect of increasing the price of Health Care.The focus of the government ought be on the Medical Professions strangle hold on teaching/licensing doctors and nurses.The KOFHOCARE Health System would focus on producing more Supply of Drugs and Services so comopetition and availablity would reduce costs and improve the medical services.Don't you see 17% inflation in Health Care as the real problem.With inflation now at 0% according to the Fed, (LOL), 17% for this one sector is rather strange.
And won't Obamacare just make things worse by foring Demand higher by "covering" everyone who will pay their n=bill with other peoples' money????

For crying out loud kofh2u, it has been pointed out to you more than once that the graph you use above has had the figures on the y-axis falsified by a power of ten. By using data that is (a) falsified and (b) has already been pointed out to you to be falsified, what impression do you think that gives to the readers of your posts ?Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.

It "has been pointed out"... where???I'll check back.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

Hi oni, Yes it's called Medicare with a premium taken out of the SS check each month.The last year I find complete actual costs state:Medical service (Seniors) $451.6 billion.Vendor Payments (Welfare) $330.7 billion.Health research and training (552) $34.2 billion.Welfare $502.3 billion.So welfare and medicaid vendor payments = $833 billion.Which is $381.4 billion more than what taking care of the old folks costs. Which the old folks pay 10% of their SS check towards.These payments are what the Federal Government pays and does not include what the States pays.You can dig deeper here if you like.BTW "Federal welfare spending has grown by 32 percent over the past four years, fattened by President Obama’s stimulus spending and swelled by a growing number of Americans whose recession-depleted incomes now qualify them for public assistance, according to numbers released Thursday.Federal spending on more than 80 low-income assistance programs reached $746 billion in 2011, and state spending on those programs brought the total to $1.03 trillion, according to figures from the Congressional Research Service and the Senate Budget Committee."
The Washington Times hereGod Bless,

See Message 102, Message 106 and Message 108 on the Catholicism versus Protestantism thread.Edited by vimesey, : I read up on how to link messages.

Sorry, on vacation for a bit. Sure, but we are giving them something to make a profit from.I have shown in other threads the burden obese people, smokers, unhealthy people, AND, old people place on the healthcare system. It is a decent number. Now you can argue whatever about profiting hospitals, but the fact is there are plenty of costumers to make a profit from.We have yet to know the full effects of pesticides, and the what the industrilizing of food has done to our bodies. You say older people are a bigger burden. Well, how do we know it's not because of the food they eat and the fact that working out and not smoking wasn't their thing?Even in places where socilaist healthcare exists, what DOESN'T exist is a massive fast food industry. So sure, the numbers are lower.- Oni

That is linked to dietary issues as well, or rather the industrial food market that has poisoned the stuff we eat.- Oni

To add insult to the injury that working stiff's are asked to endure is the constant solicitations on TV and in the churches to help "Feed the Children" in America who are hungry.Many, many of these hard workers do not have Health Care Insurance provided by a small business provider nor by themselves, while the System pays women to have u=illegitimate babies who are raised fatherless and oppose al authority in school and later in the streets.These kids grow up to represent the criminal element whih fills the courts and the prisons, at a tremendous expense to the tax payers.
One day in jail cost $60.
A year costs $22,000.Niow this is NOT to say we do NOT need a safety net for people who fall down and need help.
It is merely an indictment of the present liberal scheme to have provided such a system.

Or they can become president of the United States...- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.

Well that's good. At least it's not being spent on military weapons and things designed to hurt people.While I recognize the need to fix the Welfare system, I'd rather see low-income people get the money the government takes from us then the military industrial complex.- Oni

Hi oni, My wife would disagree with you on that oni.Her baby sister died of cancer when she was 39 years old, and her daughter died at 33 years old from cancer.Her sister that was 4 years older than her died at 57 from cancer. Her daughter died at 35 with cancer.Her sister that was 7 years older than her died at 47 years old, her daughter is now 48 and cancer free.Her oldest sister is a breast cancer survivor and is 88 now and had no daughters.Her brother that was 6 years younger than her died from cancer.They all lived in differnent parts of the country and ate many different foods after they left home.My wife is involved in a Sister's program and is checked regularly for any signs of cancer. At age 72 she is still cancer free. When she dies her body will be used to study and see if they can find out why she did not have cancer when all her sister's have had cancer.But yes cancer is a very expensive medical problem.God Bless,

Hi oni, But protecting the states with funds collected from the residents of the states is the primary job of the national government. The system is OK. The problem is with how it has been administered, allowing all the abuses to begin and continue, and the promotion of irresponsibility rather than responsibility. The last year with actual costs was 2010 and the military defense was 693.6 billion of which 11.4 billion was for foreign military aid, and 33.8 billion was for foreign economic aid.So the welfare spends more than the military defense. But veterans benefits and health care is not included in the military defense.I would rather see the waste removed from both systems.God Bless,

Even if you removed every carcinogen from food, the fact remains that food itself is technically a carcinogen, in that caloric restriction unto starvation is known to be prophylactic against cancer (because tumors need energy to grow.) And of course there's every other carcinogen out there, as well, like the light from the sun and smoke from cooking fires.Without saying you're completely wrong - people are poisoned by poison, not by "industrial food", whatever that means - cancer isn't as strongly linked to dietary issues as you imply. If you live long enough, you get cancer. (A bit of a tautology but it's more true than saying "if you live long enough, you'll get heart disease", since the cancer is actually caused by living a long time.)

I'm not in any way said this is the reason we get cancer. But, there is a link between pesticides and cancer AND the mass production of food.I'm assuming your sister's kin didn't grow their own food and ate all organic and grass fed beef, pork, etc?- Oni

Sure, and I'm thankful we have that. But I think we're good for a while on weapons to destroy each other. We've spent enough already. That's what I meant by fixing it. Properly staffing it, using the money they take from taxes, etc.Even if 50% on welfare are abusing it, it leaves the other 50% who truly need it. Agreed.- Oni