How can we regulate guns ... ?

Perhaps some things DC has done, post DC v. Heller would be possible candidates. Despite the views of some that the Supreme Court has agreed that any restriction is unconstitutional, Scalia actually said something quite different. Accordingly to Scalia, US v. Miller is still good law.DC, based on what the majority opinion actually said implemented a prohibition on assault weapons, and a prohibition on large capacity feeding devices. DC also uses zoning laws to deny establishment of gun shops in the district. Guns are registered.Heller is still trying to get permisson to register his semi-automatic rifle. DC classifies his bottom feeding rifle as a machine gun and has refused to issue a permit.

Any policy that is put in to action could be challenged on constitutional grounds and make its way to the Supreme Court. When the SCOTUS reviews the policy they will be looking at the original intent of the 2nd Amendment which includes the intent of the founding fathers who wrote the damn thing.What use is it to write and implement a policy that is immediate overturned in the courts?

What is the feeling about closing the gun show and private sale loopholes amongst the people you talk to?

Obama/Executive Order on gun control

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WASHINGTON (AP) Facing powerful opposition to sweeping gun regulations, President Barack Obama is weighing 19 steps that could be taken through executive action alone, congressional officials said.

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Those steps could include ordering stricter action against people who lie on gun sale background checks, striking limits on federal research into gun use, ordering tougher penalties against gun trafficking, and giving schools flexibility to use grant money to improve safety.

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Obama is expected to unveil his proposals as early as Wednesday, barely over a month since the massacre of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., thrust the gun issue into the national spotlight after years of inaction by Obama and lawmakers.

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At the same time Obama is vowing not to back off his support for sweeping gun legislation that would require congressional backing including banning assault weapons, limiting the capacity of ammunition magazines and instituting universal background checks despite opposition from the influential gun lobby.

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"Will all of them get through this Congress? I don't know," Obama said at a news conference Monday.

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"My starting point is not to worry about the politics," he said. "My starting point is to focus on what makes sense, what works."

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It seems like the gun nuts are losing the battle.- Oni

Most of them are in favor.Please realize that the gun owners I associate with now are not the own a gun for guns sake and to prove my manhood type of gun owners. For the most part. I do know a couple end of worlders that feel any regulation is bad, but they are a small minority. These are guys that are hoping for a zombie apocalypse cuz they think it would be cool.Little do they realize they would last 5 mins even with their vaunted weapons. After they pissed and shat themselvesMost of us are hunters and target shooters. No more, no less.

Im in favor of freedom to buy guns, but I would agree that certain guns are un necessary to own. Part of the debate centers on what type of guns should be allowed for sale. A guy doesn't need a bazooka for civilian use.

That sounds crazy just reading it. But ok... If "need" is the focus, then I can't see the need for a person to have any gun for civilian use. What possible need other than irrational fear would there be for any gun?- Oni

Gunsmiths 3D-Print High Capacity Ammo Clips To Thwart Proposed Gun Laws

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Over the past weekend, Defense Distributed successfully 3D-printed and tested an ammunition magazine for an AR semi-automatic rifle, loading and firing 86 rounds from the 30-round clip.

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That homemade chunk of curved plastic holds special significance: Between 1994 and 2004, so-called high capacity magazines capable of holding more than 10 bullets were banned from sale. And a new gun control bill proposed by California Senator Diane Feinstein would ban those larger ammo clips again. President Obama has also voiced support for the magazine restrictions.

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How are you going to regulate guns and clips if anyone can print them out. Yeah, those 3D printers are currently expensive. But that won't last forever.

We regulate lots of things people can acquire.Since we cannot stop people from producing child porn, then we should not regulate it?What do we do to people in possession of child porn? People seem to feel if we do not have some sort of miracle fix then we should do nothing.

You can still make it harder. 3D printers require a file (often just from AutoCAD) to print out. Most people will not have the skills required to make one of these model files on their own. Users would need to download that file. Make the distribution of firearm-related 3D printer models illegal, just as child porn is illegal to distribute. Make it illegal to possess those parts even if they're home-made or MacGuyvered out of legal products so that people will face penalties if they're caught with them in their possession. I'm sure other techniques can be used.3D printing makes it harder, but not impossible...and 3D printers make plastic, not metal, so it's not like you can just make a complete AK-47 at home if you have one of these.

I think I might be misunderstanding what you mean by "availability".Are you talking about reducing the number of guns that exist, or reducing the means that one can go about acquiring them?

I think you're missing the point because you've equivocated "regulation". There's basically two meanings: one is where you pass a law, the other is where you actually control something.So for pirated music, its been regulated in the sense that there's laws about it, but its not been regulated in the sense that its controlled. You can't control it because its so easy to make and acquire.The point was not that 3D printers prevent you from passing laws, but that they could make control impossible.

Your argument is ridiculous and vapid.You are stating that because their is illegal file sharing we cannot control guns? Excuse me but that argument is asinine.Control starts with regulation. If there is no regulation of guns then there can be no control.As I stated before people like you seem to think that if there is no miraculous control there is no reason to even attempt anything.Yes people will do many things to get around any control measures put in place. There is a flip side to that. That is the consequences for breaking those laws. Enforcement is the other side of regulation.
If we make possession of a printed gun magazine a crime then law enforcement will have recourse. It is very difficult to tell if someone is listening to pirated music. In order to determine if a person has pirated file on their computer a warrant would be required. Guns when they are used are very loud and obvious. A magazine larger than 10 shots can be seen to be a large magazine. There is no way that these two things can be even remotely compared.But I guess since people could possibly, conceivably, in some future circumstance produce a magazine that holds 20 rounds in their own homes, we should do nothing to control guns.Aren't you embarrassed by these arguments?

I'm sorry. I forgot that you can't read. Carry on. Message 615Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

Then what is the purpose of your comments about pirated music? I mean there must have been a reason for you to use that as an argument against gun control.
Otherwise the why would you even mention it?