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JonF
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Message 8 of 18 (687859)
01-17-2013 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by foreveryoung
01-16-2013 11:12 PM


When they are dating zircons, they are using U-Pb dating, which Dr. Adequate covered briefly in Message 221 in the Geology thread.
Yeah, technically the zircon is a mineral, not a rock. Last I checked the oldest rocks came from the Great Slave Lake area of northwestern Canada; Priscoan (4.00-4.03 Ga) orthogneisses from northwestern Canada:
(They used the Tera-Wasserberg from of the concordia diagram, which you may not find familiar).
There have been reports of possibly older rocks, e.g. Neodymium-142 Evidence for Hadean Mafic Crust (free registration required for full text), but that's not generally accepted yet (Comment on Neodymium-142 Evidence for Hadean Mafic Crust).

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JonF
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Message 10 of 18 (687913)
01-17-2013 6:20 PM
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01-17-2013 2:45 PM


Re: one possibility
Pb will not fit in this crystal structure. Suppose our little zircon has lead in it, where do you suppose it came from?
A possibility that had occurred to me, however I would still like to see it from the scientists that did the paper.
I think he/she is saying that the lead could only come from radioactive decay, which is the mainstream view.
There is, of course, a really weentsy amount of lead mechanically trapped as the crystal grew around them (or whatever). That has a different isotopic composition than radiogenic lead and some other detectable properties, so correcting for "common lead" is very common ;-), and changes the raw date by a fraction of a percent or so. Buth these days the bleeding edge is sub-1% accuracy and every little bit of improvement is just that little bit of improvement more.

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Message 12 of 18 (687977)
01-18-2013 8:33 AM
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01-17-2013 8:24 PM


Re: one possibility
If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium. If it's zircons, it's U-Pb.

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Message 15 of 18 (688154)
01-19-2013 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by RAZD
01-19-2013 4:18 PM


Re: data, method
I think I understand what you mean. It it's important to you, contact the author.
However, we know what the answer will be. For good reason. I'll expound if you are interested.

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