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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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imagine if man never invented scissors or a razor. Men would be running around the woods with beards dragging four feet from their face, and their hair would be down to the ground, getting tangled up where ever they walked. When hair gets to a length it falls out. Ever see an old dog with 8 foot long fur? There's your answer, sport.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3630 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined:
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I see.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I see AZ, so any traits which are prevalent in a population, are by definition examples of better fitness which have been passed on. I get it, I get it. Like cancer, and cystic fibrosis, and aging... Cool theory. Here you are trying to argue against evolution and you do not know what "fitness" means? In your mind what does "fitness" in an evolutionary sense mean? Let me give you a hint. Late stage diseases and aging have no impact on fitness.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
He is convinced that the definition of a better fitness trait is one that gets passed on through generations. If you knew what "fitness" meant you would know this is not anything close to what I said. Or, do you know but choose to lie? Ignorant or lying, which is it? Edited by AZPaul3, : the usual culprits
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Fair enough.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I note that in neither of those pictures is either of the subjects hopelessly tangled in the undergrowth.
But these are rarities, in any case. Normally hair doesn't do that. (The invention of cutting hair, of braiding it up, etc presumably relaxed any evolutionary constraint on the production of really long hair.)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Fair enough. Those photos are of people with atypical hair growth. Try looking up anagen phase to see limits on hair growth typical for most humans.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3630 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
What is the evolutionary advantage of a big full bushy beard covering up a man's entire face? It has been sexually selected for?
Or hair growing all the way down your back?
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Or is it just avatism?
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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What is the evolutionary advantage of a big full bushy beard covering up a man's entire face? So, all attributes in a phenotype must have an evolutionary advantage or they would not be there? You believe this?
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3630 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Me (and possibly you) would have a big full beard covering up our face and hair down at least to our butts, if we didn't cut it off all the time.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What is the evolutionary advantage of a big full bushy beard covering up a man's entire face? It has been sexually selected for? What is the advantage of facial hair of any length? Not all traits are subject to natural selection. So why ask questions of this type?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3630 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Sometimes its important to point out how inconsistent your sides ideas are; and just asking simple questions is often enough to do just that.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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What is the evolutionary advantage of a big full bushy beard covering up a man's entire face? It has been sexually selected for? Or hair growing all the way down your back? What has been sexually selected in humans is the apparent bareness, especially in females. Rather than being actually bare, the bare appearing skin is covered with fine vellus hair. More ape hair traits are retained in males, including backs, chests, arms and legs hair, where terminal hair grows, while predominantly vellus hair on backs, breasts, arms and legs of females. Vellus hair is found on children, so this is a retained childhood trait in women more than men. This indicates the selection is in the females (for youthful appearance), and the male expression of apparent bareness is inherited\carryover from genes shared with females. The (terminal hair) beard in the male also signals coming of age for mating. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Sometimes its important to point out how inconsistent your sides ideas are ... Care to give us an example of this inconsistency? Not one based on your misunderstandings, which are numerous, but here's hoping you can find something and then we can tell you how and why you are wrong ... again.
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