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Author Topic:   Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.
SouthDakotaSkeptic
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Message 312 of 354 (690232)
02-11-2013 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by Phat
02-09-2013 1:06 PM


Re: The "omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusive" argument is weak!
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OK I will agree then that God is responsible. Does this then imply that humans are not also responsible for choosing or rejecting Jesus Christ?
No, it doesn't. Assuming the Christian god exists and possesses the attributes usually attributed to him (omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence), the responsibility would rest with him to save humans, not on humans (who lack omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence) to "choose or reject" Jesus.
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Should God have not allowed evil to exist?
Absolutely. The existence of evil makes the possibility of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god existing vanishingly small, if not outright impossible. The evidential problem of evil is, in my opinion, devastating to Christianity (and Islam, Sikhism, or any religion that posits an omnimax god), and is the biggest problem for theism in general.
Consider this syllogism:
P1: An omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god exists.
P2: This god, being omniscient, knows how to prevent all evil, being omnipotent, has the power to prevent all evil, and being omnibenevolent, wants to prevent all evil.
C1: Therefore, it is vanishingly unlikely that evil exists.
P3: Evil exists
C2: P3 contradicts C1
C3: Therefore, following C2, it is vanishingly unlikely that an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god exists.
Edited by Finn, : typos

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SouthDakotaSkeptic
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Message 315 of 354 (690240)
02-11-2013 2:18 AM
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02-11-2013 2:14 AM


Re: The "omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusive" argument is weak!
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Lucifer had the original free will and chose his own alternate reality...(by Gods will). God already knew the way out of this potential dualism and this is why Jesus was in the beginning with the Father. The responsibility to save humans was thus already present, even before Lucifer created a need.
(Assuming theism is true)
Why would God go through such an absurd charade, which led to the death, suffering, and damnation of billions, rather than simply eliminating the possibility of evil in the first place? Why create evil only to destroy it? Such actions are highly irrational, not to mention extremely immoral.

You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

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SouthDakotaSkeptic
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Message 320 of 354 (690340)
02-11-2013 11:56 PM
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02-11-2013 2:29 AM


Re: The "omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusive" argument is weak!
I just can't see how the existence of evil is compatible with any kind of omnimax god, and I certainly don't see a rational reason why such a god would perform such a charade.

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