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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Lines In Purple Ink or E Pur Si Mauve When Galileo first discernedthe cosmic secrets, and he yearned to tell a baffled world it turned, he said: "They won't believe what I reveal, unless, to show them that it's true, I write in ink of rainbow hue: of amber, crimson, yellow, blue and violet, viridian and teal." When Newton, that unequalled sage,revealed his knowledge to his age, he wrote it in magenta, beige and turquoise, for he said "They won't suppose my insight can be very keen unless I tell them what I mean in russet, indigo and green, and lavender and burgundy and rose." When Darwin wanted to defendthe notion that we all descend from monkeys, then he wisely penned his words in tones of olive, plum and puce; for as he very sagely said: "To prove I've not gone off my head, I'll write in cyan, mauve and red, so folks won't think my theory is obtuse." They say when Albert Einstein dareddisturb the Universe, and shared the news concerning mc2 he worried they might think him just a loon. To prove that he could really think, he wrote his arguments in pink, vermillion and purple ink, and terracotta, orange and maroon. So if you also wish to reachtheir shade of eminence, then teach in hues of lilac, cobalt, peach and scarlet, so that people know you're right. My friend, I'd think it just too bad if folks decided you were mad, but if your thesis looks like plaid, they'll see your theory's plain as black and white.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No possibility of an objective test then. Not that I'm surprised. Oh, I think in the case of the particular deficiency I have postulated for you, you've been given an objective test and you've failed. Of course you do, which is exactly what I'm talking about, rampant subjective judgment. You CALL It an objective test but it's just the gospel according to Dr. Adequate as usual, pure garbage.
Someone who really can't observe the merits of real geology over your version when your version violates conservation of matter does indeed suffer from "dysphysica". The objective test would be if someone looks at a pictorial representation of real geology and says "oh, yes, that's plausible" but bursts out laughing when presented with a pictorial representation of your fantasies. Righto, who needs objectivity when we have such perspicacious bullshit from Dr. A. Forget evidence, forget objectivity, just ask Dr. A. He's a one man Supreme Court. Operates pretty much the same way too. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
For me, the real time wasters are not crazy at all. They are instead the people you originally described. Namely the people whose arguments have gaping holes in logic that you believe they would acknowledge after a few words of rebuttal, even if they don't change their ultimate position. But somehow there never seems to be the right combination of words to see their error. I'm sure you have NO idea how EXACTLY that describes the experience of those of us who disagree with the majority at EvC. To a T.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2499 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined:
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Genomicus writes: It's fairly difficult to prove a negative. That depends on the negative. I'm sure I could prove that I'm not a women, not Chinese, and not a frog. "Mental illness" isn't clearly defined, and could be regarded as a matter of degree. But if a specific condition with specific symptoms was defined, then reasonably demonstrating the negative in individuals should be possible, even in some cases on a discussion board. For example, there's a certain type of language problem associated with some forms of schizophrenia, and there have been several posters on EvC during my time here who might have had this problem. It's always hard to be sure, and I wouldn't be able to prove the positive on internet discussion board evidence alone. But I can be sure that you and all the other regulars who are on this thread so far do not have it. That's just one symptom of one kind of mental illness, of course.
Geno writes: E.g., it's very, very hard to prove something could not have evolved. There's no reason to suppose that that would be the case if we actually were in a created biosphere. Off topic, unfortunately, but just sayin'.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Sorry wrong person. Back with an answer to Dr. A eventually. Well, save your breath. As I say, I think you suffer from dysphysica. You are actually unable to distinguish between things that physically might take place, and things that couldn't possibly take place, but which you can nonetheless put into words. I recently noticed your commentaries on my "Introduction To Geology" thread on your blog. It is genuinely hard for me to imagine someone being as stupid as you. I have made myself clear in front of adults and children, but confronted with your drooling helpless stupidity in the face of the obvious, I can only conclude that it is actually impossible for you to understand certain things; that you simply have a mental defect that makes you incapable of understanding things that would be obvious to a normal person when it comes to fundamental concepts of physics that would usually be obvious to a child of eight years old. You simply can't reach the level of an eight year old child, and you embarrass yourself when you try. This is not to put you down absolutely --- I am sure that there are things that you are very good at. Go forth and do those. But your dysphysica is actually embarrassing not just to you, but to me. I feel squeamish talking to you about it. But such is the case.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
For me, the real time wasters are not crazy at all. They are instead the people you originally described. Namely the people whose arguments have gaping holes in logic that you believe they would acknowledge after a few words of rebuttal, even if they don't change their ultimate position. But these are the crazy people. That's what madness is. As someone cleverer than me once said: "A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Dysphysica: Could that be something like the insane idea that flat slabs of rock that are laid down horizontally over thousands of square miles, and their fossil contents, actually represent ancient landscapes that persisted over vast time periods (and then ...rather abruptly to judge by the
Now THAT's Dysphysica, or perhaps simple Dementia, an absolute inability to imagine anything even remotely possible that accounts for the actual evidence. Or Delusion, or Bias-Bound Brain Syndrome. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Dysphysica: Could that be something like the insane idea that flat slabs of rock that are laid down horizontally over thousands of square miles, and their fossil contents, actually represent ancient landscapes that persisted over vast time periods (and then ...rather abruptly to judge by the Now THAT's Dysphysica, or perhaps simple Dementia, an absolute inability to imagine anything even remotely possible that accounts for the actual evidence. Or Delusion, or Bias-Bound Brain Syndrome. No, dysphysica would still identify the things that are wrong with your head. Even though the geological record has been patiently explained to you, you are still unable to understand it. Well, at this point a sane person would realize that you can't understand it. And I would recommend sanity to you. You are obviously too fucking stupid to understand physical processes. Well, I will never be able to play the violin. Therefore, I don't appear in public and try to do so. I would only humiliate myself. In the same way, if you had any fucking sense, which you don't, you would stop humiliating yourself in public, which you won't, because you are too fucking stupid to realize how fucking stupid you are.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Tch tch tch, I think you are coming unraveled here.
The geological record that has been patiently explained that I reject is truly delusional which is of course why I reject it. Now perhaps some 95% of your Intro to Geology is good science. It's that 5% that's delusional that I reject. Now you can say No it isn't and I can say Yes it is forever. All that matters is who has the power, and that's you. Truth is irrelevant.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Truth is irrelevant. This is the difference between us.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Are you intentionally twisting my meaning, or was I unclear that I meant it is YOU for whom truth is irrelevant? -- that you win arguments here only because you have lots of power through numbers who agree with you and not because anything you say is true. Which it isn't when you are insisting on the Old Earth explanation of the strata.
However, I do agree with you on the griffin thread, which will most probably give you an ulcer to hear it, since I'm so stupid, but I'll pray for your ulcer to get better anyway. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : thought it best not to totalizeHe who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Galileo, Newton, Darwin and Einstein are obviously internet forum fruit-loops and trolls.
(I wish Einstein would just shut up about his family!) If they keep making trouble, report them in Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0(NOT A DISCUSSION TOPIC!!!)[/color]."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
To thoe who replied to my original post, I read them all, thanks. I'm going to reply generally.
I agree about the importance of posting for the benefit of the lurking audience. And just maintaining a record of accurate information is important, too. From a psychological standpoint, insanity is so varied and infinitely nuanced as to defy simple characterization, but I don't believe this is true in a discussion board context. I'm wondering if it is possible to tell early when one is wasting one's time. I agree that in some cases there is simple fun in engaging insanity. Certainly we all enjoyed discussions with mild-mannered Brad (he goes back a ways, many might not recognize the name, he had a form of schizophrenia). Even if we rarely understood him he was generally treated with respect, I think because his ideas were honest and without agenda or judgment. I guess my simple rule is that once one starts explaining logic or English then it is time to give up, not that I follow this rule all the time. But are there other helpful signs? --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But these are the crazy people. That's what madness is. I don't agree with this definition. At least some of these people are not generally crazy. I've noticed a few posters who who seem fairly normal except when posting on a few particular subjects. On those subjects those posters seem completely irrational. I'm reluctant to call those posters crazy. There are a few current posters who obviously don't appreciate logical arguments because they rarely use such arguments on their own behalf. I don't consider such posters crazy. I'm sure they can function well in society and work well when they aren't in situations where they need to use logic to convince anyone of anything. That probably described most occupations. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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