Morality without god

Evidence please.

You might be able to own a Canadian if you are willing to pay enough. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I see no approval of slavery itself in giving laws about how to treat slaves. I think of it as a necessary evil that required regulation. God also permitted the Israelites to divorce their wives although Jesus told them that was only because of the hardness of their hearts. That too could have been made a commandment, you know: Thou shalt not divorce.I believe slavery was a similar situation. That's what I've been trying to say and your semantic claims are irrelevant to that.As for the Biblical laws being more humane I trust the many many others who have investigated these things so I don't have to do the investigating myself. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Ther have been times and still are in Africa and other places when one welcomes the opportunity to be a slave in return for survival which would be impossible without the use one might be to a master.Rich spoiled Americans can not conceive of such a set of circumstances.
But there have always been situations were nothing could be worse than no one had any use for you.Nevertheless, is a servant the same as a slave?Exodus 21:2
If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing...."applying the relativist theory to slavery as a whole would lead to the laws that our Sages have put in place that make the Hebrew Servant essentially a long-term contract day laborer with a number of additional protections because of the danger of abuse."

A slave cannot be freed, save he do it himself. Nor can you enslave a free man; the very most you can do is kill him!"

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Robert A. Heinlein

So God is allows some necessary evils?Edited by DrJones*, : edited: to reword it a bitEdited by DrJones*, : reworded it again.

Are you truly this clueless?
There are such things as search engines.Slavery in the 21st century - Wikipedia
Human trafficking in the United States - Wikipedia
Trafficking: The ordeal of a Moscow 'shop slave' - BBC News
Country Narrative - RussiaGee that took me all of 2 minutes.

ABE
Inappropriate and against forum rules.kofh2u,I apologize for the personal attackEdited by Theodoric, : nuff said

God creates good and evil but the behavior of man tastes both depending upon his freedom to will such actions.God makes tiger to tear the flesh of men and eat them.
He makes all other animals which behave the way we know they do.He made man who has enslaved other men as one of the ways by which they both survive. This is true, becauseiot has been man's behavior since he was created.
There has been no Age were men were all free.Hence, the Truth is that slaves exist, and always have.People who are so slanted and myopic in their perspective that they do not see this Truth need wake up.
They need to see that freeing the slaves in the future is not something that requires a proclaimation, but more Charity, and more productivity to produce it.

Your two minutes was wasted. None of that addresses the topic here AND none of it answers my claim that slavery is not a part of the CHRISTIAN world anywhere. And I meant CHRISTIAN, not European, not American etc. Sex trafficking and other kinds of slavery DO go on these days, I've seen a few documentaries on it, and it's a sad situation that's for sure, but this has nothing to do with anything I've argued here or the general topic of slavery as an institution which is how I've been addressing it, not a criminal underworld business.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

LOLYour signature proclaims things yoiu do not believe.
Can you give me a fact that shows any Age when this species called "man" did not include slaves????Should God tell man whom he created to be as men are that indentured servitude is outlawed, regardless of the deal made between the people involved?The slavery is not the evil, but the poverty and lack of opportunity to support oneself otherwise is the thing men must change.

Again Faith continues her mantra

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Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.

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Not a real quote.You asked for evidence that slavery still exists in the Christian world. Evidence presented.You claim the US is a Christian country, there is slavery in the US, therefore...Why do i waste my time?

What a bunch of logic-chopping irrelevance. I agree, why DO you waste your time on such idiotic strawmanning enterprises anyway?I meant CHRISTIAN for crying out loud and you bring up CRIMINAL stuff. ALSO SLAVERY AS A CULTURUAL INSTITUTION. That ought to be obvious. Good grief, talk about clueless.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes --- the laws I live under were made by men and not by Jehovah.You will recall, by the way, that the men who made the laws against slavery in this country did manage to turn a slave-owning society into a non-slave-owning society, something that was apparently impossible for the Almighty. A point which raises questions rather than answers them. By your own admission, God didn't make only those laws that he expected everyone to keep. Rather he was laying down the rules of right and wrong, so that anyone who cared to would know what they were and could keep them --- if they chose. So why not a law against slavery? So it would have done some good, then? It is in fact possible to hire the help, whether it's with handling herds of animals or picking cotton.

WTF? Care to explain? Did I claim such a thing? You building more strawmen? No the law should. Your god is a myth. Slavery can not be evil, because it cannot have morals. Amazing the immorality people will espouse and follow in order to justify their holy book and religious beliefs. I find it vile and disgusting.