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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Cold fusion reactor independently verified, has 10,000 times the energy density of gas
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Thread copied here from the Cold Fusion ... again? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
While Rossi hasn’t provided much in the way of details he’s a very secretive man, it seems we can infer some knowledge from NASA’s own research into cold fusion. The only reasons I can come up with for maintaining secrecy on a working device is maintaining patent rights on the invention and perpetrating a fraud. And a patent application filing would result in the details being public within 18 months. Of course I'm a patent attorney and the above is how I think. But I cannot imagine a way to exploit such a device that would not result in every engineer with a wrench and a voltmeter being able to find out any secret required to make the thing work in very short order.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
It's got to be bollocks, if it was real, he wouldn't be behaving like a dick.
Energy Catalyzer - WikipediaLife, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Bu once the patent application is filed aren't public announcements protected? "Patent pending" and all that? Isn't the only risk that the patent might not eventually be granted, which seems terribly unlikely for a device like this, though of course I agree with Tangle that it's total bollocks.
This reminds me of a very recent little dust-up that just happened. A couple days ago The Guardian published this:
It was immediately questioned, primarily because of the way the "breakthrough" was handled:
This relatively brief comment from New Scientist is also good:
I think"shenanigans" was an appropriate adjective, and dramatic scientific breakthroughs are rarely if ever dressed in shenanigans. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Bu once the patent application is filed aren't public announcements protected? In what way are you suggesting that public announcements are protected? I'm not sure I understand your proposition. I'm guessing you are suggesting that we cannot exploit revealed technology once an application is filed. But that's not correct. The patent won't affect uses that occur before the patent issues (with some exceptions only applicable in the US). It is true that public demonstrations made after the application is filed won't prevent the patent from issuing. As for the risk that the patent won't issue. The alternative is to try and maintain the invention as a trade secret. I don't believe it would be possible to do so. Trade secret law generally does not prevent someone from reverse engineering a product to learn the secret. I think it would be extraordinarily difficult to get a patent for cold fusion through the US patent office because the PTO is predisposed to believe that cold fusion is as bollocks as perpetual motion. The PTO would almost certainly insist on a demonstration evaluated by experts of its selection, which is something that they never require for other inventions. I think we are all in agreement that the circumstances suggest shenanigans rather than an actual breakthrough. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
if it was real, he wouldn't be behaving like a dick. yes. I thought this story sounded familiar. The only thing new about this is the report of independent test results. Here is what that wikipedia article says about the testing of the Energy Catalyzer. Energy Catalyzer - Wikipedia
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
NoNukes writes: In what way are you suggesting that public announcements are protected? I'm not sure I understand your proposition. I'm guessing you are suggesting that we cannot exploit revealed technology once an application is filed. But that's not correct. The patent won't affect uses that occur before the patent issues (with some exceptions only applicable in the US). I'm only asking, not claiming I know anything for certain. I'm only familiar with US law, and only what I learned in the class that one of the company's attorneys gave (he covered trade secrets, too) combined with the established practices that we have to follow. We don't disclose to customers (which we're told constitutes a public disclosure) until after we've filed the patent application. Because of this practice I assumed that any uses of our invention were protected after the application was filed, else we would have had to wait until after the patent was granted before disclosing to customers.
I think it would be extraordinarily difficult to get a patent for cold fusion through the US patent office because the PTO is predisposed to believe that cold fusion is as bollocks as perpetual motion. Yeah, the analogy to perpetual motion machines occurred to me, too. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Because of this practice I assumed that any uses of our invention were protected after the application was filed, else we would have had to wait until after the patent was granted before disclosing to customers. Your wording was that the 'announcements are protected' which could mean a few things. What is actually the case is that the invention and the associated patent rights are protected being lost by a public announcement or pubic use. It was likely the international patent rights that your attorneys were worried about being lost. Under US law, there used to be a 1 year grace period protecting against loss of rights by public disclosure. US law on this has changed very recently, but you do need to file before anyone else does. Under US law, once an application is filed, and then publishes 18 months later, there is a limited right to pursue damages arising after the publication date assuming that the patent does issue. But that right has some important restrictions[1], and the recovery is limited to a royalty payment. By contrast, after the patent issues, the patentee can prevent usage of his invention, and can recover much more extensive damage awards. I am not aware of any circumstance where pre-issue damages have been awarded by a US court. Outside of the US, protection is strictly based on activity that occurs after the patent issues. [1] The most important restriction was that you could not modify the patent claims before issue without losing the right to pursue pre-issue damages. But the vast majority of issued patents require modifications to the claims prior to issue. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
While Rossi hasn’t provided much in the way of details he’s a very secretive man, it seems we can infer some knowledge from NASA’s own research into cold fusion. Rossi already has an Italian patent on his work, and has also filed international applications on the same invention. There should not be anything left to be secretive about. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Rossi already has an Italian patent on his work, and has also filed international applications on the same invention. There should not be anything left to be secretive about. So we should all invest heavily now? Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
So we should all invest heavily now? Uh, heck yeah! Rossi has a complete monopoly on his version of cold fusion everywhere in Italy. And no one but him will ever have similar rights in most countries in the world. He owns 100 percent of what indications point to as being zip diddly jack. Don't get left out. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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