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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Found the picture of the Armenian coin commemorating their joining the Council of Europe in 2001. Seems logical to me that the ten strokes that fan off the logo probably represent the first ten member states but if you happen to know that they don't, let me know.
The Wikipedia article says the Council of Europe was founded in 1949 with ten original states. It seems to be emblematic of the Council since they make a point of it, even providing a map of the first ten despite the fact that it was only a couple months afterward that the number increased. Yeah, Europa on a bull doesn't match the particulars in Revelation, we just find it highly suggestive. I also find the legend of Europa highly suggestive -- raped by the bull you know, Zeus in the form of. Oh I DO think the fact that the EU made Breughel's Tower of Babel a model for their goal of world unification, which Biblically is a model of rebellion against God, and that they modeled some major architecture on the Roman Colosseum which Breughel's painting also mimics, is HIGHLY suggestive of Biblical end times themes. ABE: Hey Here's a page that gives better pictures than the blogger I linked before. The Parliament Building in Brussels was actually DESIGNED to look like Breughel's Tower of Babel and it's called The Tower Building. I'd also note that the stars in the poster are rather pointedly shaped like the Baphomet image, the devil's head. And SURELY the fact that the designer of the flag based it on the Catholic interpretation of the woman with the crown of stars gives it a Roman Catholic meaning as opposed to a Protestant meaning. Hm? Lots of ROMAN imagery here you know. Prophecy points to a revived Roman Empire as the seat of the final Antichrist. What do you think of the empty 666 chair? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Found the picture of the Armenian coin commemorating their joining the Council of Europe in 2001. Seems logical to me that the ten strokes that fan off the logo probably represent the first ten member states but if you happen to know that they don't, let me know. Yes, well, your idea of what is logical makes logicians want to throw rocks at you while shouting "That is not logical!" Why would it represent the "first ten member states" when the EU never had ten member states?
The Wikipedia article says the Council of Europe was founded in 1949 with ten original states. And the Council of Europe and the EU are two different things. The way that they have different names is kind of a clue.
Yeah, Europa on a bull doesn't match the particulars in Revelation, we just find it highly suggestive. You find everything highly suggestive. This is one of the things you have in common with paranoid schizophrenic lunatics.
Oh I DO think the fact that the EU made Breughel's Tower of Babel a model for their goal of world unification, which Biblically is a model of rebellion against God, and that they modeled some major architecture on the Roman Colosseum which Breughel's painting also mimics, is HIGHLY suggestive of Biblical end times themes. And SURELY the fact that the designer of the flag based it on the Catholic interpretation of the woman with the crown of stars gives it a Roman Catholic meaning as opposed to a Protestant meaning. Hm? Lots of ROMAN imagery here you know. Prophecy points to a revived Roman Empire as the seat of the final Antichrist. What do you think of the empty 666 chair? That's just mad ranting, isn't it?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah I'm not clear on the relation between the Council of Europe and the EU, perhaps you can enlighten me. Surely we don't have two separate governing bodies? Much of the imagery here seems to be connected to the Council of Europe.
Found a link explaining it but it's not clear why there are these two different entities that seem to have similar functions and goals. Even the same flag. Oh by the way I added a link at the AbE in the other post. Na, there's no schizophrenia here, it's just interesting and fun to play with symbolism. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
Na, there's no schizophrenia here, it's just interesting and fun to play with symbolism. It's hard to tell what you do and do not take seriously, Faith. "Playing with symbolism Faith" looks damned near identical to "Analyzing Biblical prophesy Faith." Especially when the symbolism you're "playing with" ties directly into Biblical mythology like the Tower of Babel.The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, yeah, I take Bible prophecy very seriously, but that doesn't mean I think any particular imagery from the world that looks like an interesting fit is necessarily THE fit. I think the EU or Council of Europe symbolism is very interestingly suggestive, VERY, but until it's played out further there's no way to be completely certain of it.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And before it was the EU it was the same crap but assigned to the UN.
End Time Prophecy has never ever been fulfilled.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Faith writes:
Armenia is divided into 10 provinces. Found the picture of the Armenian coin commemorating their joining the Council of Europe in 2001. Seems logical to me that the ten strokes that fan off the logo probably represent the first ten member states but if you happen to know that they don't, let me know. Please note:1) It was an Armenian coin issued in Armenia by Armenians to commemorate Armenia joining the Council of Europe. 2) The Council of Europe is NOT the European Union. 3) Armenia is NOT a member of the European Union. So - what is more likely:a) The 10 fans represent the first 10 members of the EU. b) The 10 fans represent the 10 Armenian provinces. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Could be, Panda, perhaps you have explained its true significance.
I'd still note that for some reason the article on the Council of Europe seems to make a big deal out of the fact that there were ten original members. The idea I've heard most often recently, about the Biblical ten nations of the revived Roman Empire, doesn't even focus on Europe but on dividing up the entire world into ten large regions or chunks of geography. It's all still in flux.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh there is lots of interesting symbolism connected to the UN too.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've posted a fair amount about the history of the Vatican and the Jesuits already on various threads so probably won't here.
Of course all this is offensive to Catholics but I'd hope to get it across that I'm aware that the vast majority of members of the Catholic Church are good sincere people who would be appalled to know what I'm beginning to know about the history of the RC Church, the papacy and the Jesuits in particular. Besides, nobody seems to mind offending "fundamentalists" here, why be particularly sensitive about Catholics? It was good sincere Catholic priests who became the Protestant Reformers and left the RCC. It still happens today that priests even after many years recognize that the papacy is seriously wrong and leave the institution. There are plenty of critics of the papacy and the Jesuits who remain within the RCC too though. Pascal was a good sincere Catholic who lambasted the Jesuits in his Provincial Letters. Erasmus was a good sincere Catholic who agreed with Luther that the people should have the Bible in their own language, which the papacy objected to. These men remained Catholics. So did contemporary writers such as Malachi Martin, Peter DeRosa and Hans Kung, all severe critics of the papacy and the Jesuits. All remained within the RCC. Lord Acton of a previous generation was another severe critic who remained. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Faith writes:
And I would again point out that The Council of Europe is not the European Union. I'd still note that for some reason the article on the Council of Europe seems to make a big deal out of the fact that there were ten original members. Anything the CoE "makes a big deal out of" is not going to support any claims about the EU. (Not that I have seen any evidence of them making a big deal out of the fact that there were 10 original members. I would be surprised if they did - especially since it had 10 members for only 3 months. After that there were 12.) Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
READ THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ON THE Council of Europe. That's ALL I've been referring to.
And a lot of the symbolism related to the C of E rather than the EU, as I've said already. And they DO work in concert as I also posted a link on. Good grief if you split hairs finely enough you could prove anything you want to prove. Try taking it all in the spirit intended.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Faith writes: I did read it. READ THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ON THE Council of Europe. That's ALL I've been referring to.The Wiki page doesn't "make a big deal" about there being 10 original members. It mentions it once: quote:It makes three times as many references to there being 47 member states. And anyway, Wiki is NOT the Council of Europe. "I'd still note that for some reason the article on the Council of Europe seems to make a big deal out of the fact that there were ten original members."That seems to be based on your own imagination and nothing else. Faith writes: You were asked: "Any chance you could fill us in on any of these signs of the EU's involvement in the End Days?" And a lot of the symbolism related to the C of E rather than the EU, as I've said already.So far - nothing. *shrug* Faith writes: Most major organisations (both political and religious) also work "in concert" with the EU. And they DO work in concert as I also posted a link on.America does. Protestant churches do. Charities do. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Faith writes: I find it weird that you would rather maintain your false beliefs than be corrected. Good grief if you split hairs finely enough you could prove anything you want to prove. Try taking it all in the spirit intended. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What you call "correcting" me is really just preferring your own opinion to mine.
I still read that article on the Council of Europe as making more of the original ten nations as something definitive than you do. I've said I'm not clear on the differences between the Council of Europe and the European Union but my interest is in how a united Europe reflects Biblical prophetic symbolism and either will do for that purpose as far as I can tell. There seems to be plenty of such symbolism to go around. The same flag flies over both apparently.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Faith writes:
I have not just posted opinions - I have posted facts. What you call "correcting" me is really just preferring your own opinion to mine. You on the other hand.... Faith writes:
But you are unable to quote them doing so. I still read that article on the Council of Europe as making more of the original ten nations as something definitive than you do.That is how I know that you are just making it up. No doubt you will come back with another cry of "I must be thinking of something else!". Faith writes:
...but that doesn't stop you making spurious claims about them, does it.
I've said I'm not clear on the differences between the Council of Europe and the European Union Faith writes:
Only if you ignore the fact that there isn't. There seems to be plenty of such symbolism to go around. If you do a 'Faith' and make up things like "The 10 fans on a coin represent the 10 EU founding members!" or "The statue looks like a woman with a cup riding a 10 headed beast!"", then sure - there are many such imaginary symbolisms. But if you instead prefer things that aren't patently false, you are left with considerably fewer. Faith writes:
So - your evidence that the EU is involved in the End Of Days is that it shares a flag with the Council of Europe. The same flag flies over both apparently. LOL !! Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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