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Rahvin
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Message 49 of 50 (701922)
06-27-2013 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by dronestar
06-27-2013 4:28 PM


So you wouldn't be inclined to vote for a political party that strives for a lesser intrusive government? Thus . . . If the republican party attacked Obama because Obama has demonstrated that he hates the constitution and especially the 4th amendment search and seizure laws, then you still wouldn't be more inclined to vote for the Republicans?
Can you comment on your answer?
Many who self-identify as libertarian do vote for parties other than the Republicans. And many who vote for the Republicans sorely dislike the candidate they vote for, and are merely taking the option that seems to be the least bad.
It's all a matter of priorities. Libertarianism is not a singular worldview. The general definition Coyote describes himself under could easily describe both individuals who vote Republican and those who vote otherwise - even Democrat. Most libertarians of whom I'm aware identify as "independent" voters...and simply vote Republican because it's the best they feel they can get.
The Republicans tend to gain libertarian votes because they advocate fiscal conservatism, and this is viewed as a more immediate or outright higher priority than social concerns like abortion or gay marriage by some libertarians. It's entirely possible, after all, even common, to like one aspect of a politician, and dislike other aspects, and still vote for him/her.
Other libertarians prioritize social liberty above fiscal conservativism, and may vote elsewhere when a Republican candidate calls for government intrusion on everyday life - as with bans on gay marriage, or attempts to overturn Roe v Wade.
Particularly unintelligent libertarians (and I'm not counting Coyote among their number) are often fooled by cries for "smaller government" by the Republicans, as if reduced social spending actually equates for less government interference or indeed even less government spending overall.
The average person is, of course, not particularly intelligent.
Look at Ron Paul for an example of a libertarian Republican. He directly opposes a great deal of the Republican platform. Even some who regularly vote Democrat, and many who identify as independent, supported him in the last few elections. They're just not all the same - and I would wager that the only reason they tend to (not always) stick with the Republicans is because the Republican party has money to spend on candidates who can throw out the right libertarian buzzwords and co-opt the movement, when most libertarians would much rather something significantly different.

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