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Straggler
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Message 16 of 29 (704643)
08-13-2013 7:14 AM
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08-13-2013 6:55 AM


Re: Doubt it would stand up.
Denmark, Portugal, Morocco and Norway are countries that I think have approved lists (or did until recently if it has now changed)

Germany has some fairly tight restrictions (must be gender specific for example) but, as you say, doesn't have an approved list.


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Straggler
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Message 17 of 29 (704644)
08-13-2013 7:17 AM
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08-13-2013 6:55 AM


Re: Doubt it would stand up.
Argentina has a list too I believe but you can petition to get names added to it.
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Heathen
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Message 18 of 29 (704645)
08-13-2013 9:07 AM


wierdest babay names:
Here's a list of strange ones..
http://www.babycenter.com/...-baby-names-of-2012_10375911.bc

Excel, Leeloo, Shoog, Burger, Espn and Savior stand out as kinda wacky.
But isn't the current head of state of Nigeria called "Goodluck Jonathan"?


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caffeine
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Message 19 of 29 (704647)
08-13-2013 10:01 AM
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08-13-2013 7:14 AM


Re: Doubt it would stand up.
Denmark, Portugal, Morocco and Norway are countries that I think have approved lists (or did until recently if it has now changed)

My point was not that they don't have lists, but that you can call your child a name not on the list. You just have to go through some approval process. In Denmark, for example, which has some of the strictest rules, you apply at your local church to use an unapproved name (or, in South Jutland, at the civil registrar). This begins an investigation by a department of the Copenhagen University specially dedicated to the task. They advise the government, and some civil servant or other is given the dubious honour of deciding whether the name is a proper first name, suitable for use in Denmark, and is not inappropriate or offensive.

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Message 20 of 29 (704648)
08-13-2013 10:17 AM
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08-13-2013 9:07 AM


Perfect Baby
Heathen writes:

Leeloo

Is that the orange-haired girl from The Fifth Element?

quote:
However, a team of scientists use the DNA of the remains of the Fifth Element to rebuild the perfect being called Leeloo.

Guess it is.

Seems to me though, that a "perfect being" would be given a better name... Poor girl.


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Straggler
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Message 21 of 29 (704652)
08-13-2013 10:59 AM
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08-13-2013 10:01 AM


Re: Doubt it would stand up.
Caf writes:

My point was not that they don't have lists, but that you can call your child a name not on the list.

And my point was not that these lists are somehow immutable. Some places have pretty strict rules on these things that would probably rule out the sort of names mega-star celebrities give their kids these days stupid celeb baby names as well as the name "Messiah" that sparked this thread.

Danes can choose a pre-approved name from a government list of 7,000 names (about 3,000 for boys, 4,000 for girls). Common ethnic names such as Ali and Hassan, have recently been added. But places, objects, fruits etc. as well as weird spellings are all banned.

Those wishing to deviate from the official list must seek permission at their local parish church, where all newborns' names are registered. A request for an unapproved name triggers a review at Copenhagen University's Names Investigation Department and at the Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs, which has the ultimate authority.

Just call the kid Gustav or Frida and be done I say......


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Message 22 of 29 (704653)
08-13-2013 11:16 AM
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08-12-2013 1:30 PM


Re: Doubt it would stand up.
If this judge had said "that's ridiculous, this child will be mocked in school and suffer psychological trauma, for the best interest of the child the name must be changed," then this would be a non-issue. The ruling would almost certainly be upheld.

Upon reading the article, I find hat the judge did say exactly that when interviewed.

But apparently the name Messiah isn't even all that rare.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23626986

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There were 762 American baby boys named Messiah last year, and that figure is growing. The Social Security Administration ranks it the fourth fastest-growing name for baby boys - it leapt from 633rd in 2011 to 387th in 2012. And it's not just a boy's name or a first name.

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Message 23 of 29 (704655)
08-13-2013 11:29 AM


The Jockey Club keeps a register of all the names of horses racing in the UK. It has a list of banned names to save the embarrassment of race commentators.

However, this one got through and was only disbarred after several races.

Norfolk and Chance.

(It helps if you read this out loud with an Irish accent - if you can't mange a Norfolk one.)

Rule 6. Naming
F. The following classes of names are not eligible for use:

10. Names that are suggestive or have a vulgar or obscene meaning; names considered in poor taste; or names that may be offensive to religious, political or ethnic groups;
11. Names that appear to be designed to harass, humiliate or disparage a specific individual, group of individuals or entity;

You can check your favourite names here:
http://www.registry.jockeyclub.com/registry.cfm?page=name...

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Message 24 of 29 (704667)
08-13-2013 12:50 PM
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08-12-2013 3:22 PM


xongsmith writes:

Family moves into a new town with their twin children, one a boy and one a girl (not identical).


Ooh! Ooh!

A woman was in labour and her husband was rushing her to the hospital when they got into a car accident. Regaining consciousness in a hospital bed, the man was understandably agitated but he was somewhat reassured when he saw his brother standing beside the bed.

"Don't worry," the brother said. "Your wife is fine and the twins are fine. You have a son and a daughter."

"Oh, thank God," the father said.

"There's just one thing," the brother added. "The hospital staff were anxious to record the babies' names but both you and your wife were unconscious, so I named them."

The father was a bit concerned because he knew his brother had an oddball sense of humour. "What did you call them?" he asked apprehensively.

"Well, I named your daughter Deniece."

"Oh. Well, Denise is a nice name," the father was pleasantly surprised. "And what did you call my son?"

"Denephew."


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Message 25 of 29 (704670)
08-13-2013 1:03 PM


little difference between fundamentalist Muslim or Christian.
The sad part for me is that the judge is most likely right. It's all too likely that the judge's ruling simply reflects the reality of the area and that the Christian majority there are simply so ********, so bigoted, so intolerant, so evil, so cruel, so petty that the child really would suffer simply for having been named Messiah.

There is very little to distinguish the Muslim Fundy from the Christian Fundy except for the fact that the Christian Fundy can actually bring about the end of times.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

  
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Message 26 of 29 (704673)
08-13-2013 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Stile
08-13-2013 10:17 AM


Re: Perfect Baby
Seems to me though, that a "perfect being" would be given a better name... Poor girl.

That's not here name, that's what Bruce Willis called her because he couldn't say her real name: Leeloominai Lekatariba Laminatcha Ekbat De Sabat.

I think she was hasidic.

- Oni


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ramoss
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Message 27 of 29 (704679)
08-13-2013 5:24 PM


I do think this judge way over reached her authority.

On the other hand. sometimes foreign names can be offensive in English... and someone should warn them when they come here.

Many years ago, there was a temp from overseas named Fuk Yao


  
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Message 28 of 29 (704688)
08-13-2013 10:00 PM
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08-13-2013 1:36 PM


Re: Perfect Baby
onifre writes:

I think she was hasidic.

Funny... she didn't look Druish.


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Message 29 of 29 (704690)
08-13-2013 11:02 PM


How do I ...?
give more than one thumbs up? ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

  
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