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Author Topic:   Where is the line between a disorder and else?
ringo
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Message 20 of 77 (704792)
08-17-2013 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by yenmor
08-16-2013 11:52 PM


yenmor writes:
According to some people who have confronted my partner and I, we are hurting
-our families
Everybody hurts their families. One of the most common ways is by not being what they wanted you to be. As a gay friend of mine used to say, you can only be who you are.
-our society by advocating the extinction of the human race
Extinction is not an imminent problem. Overpopulation is. You're doing all you can to prevent overpopulation.
-teenage girls because homosexuality leads to teenage pregnancy
Pigs can fly.
-everyone around us because our relationship grosses them out
Women with too much makeup gross me out. Cashews gross me out.
-ourselves because we'll never have biological children, get aids, etc.
We all hurt ourselves. Every choice we make (not that homosexuality is a choice) has an up side and a down side. We sacrifice our career for our children or we sacrifice our children for our career.
yenmor writes:
Who are we to say their arguments are invalid but ours are not?
I can make a valid argument that nobody should parachute out of a perfectly good airplane - but that doesn't give me the right to prevent people from doing it.

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ringo
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Message 52 of 77 (704923)
08-20-2013 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by yenmor
08-19-2013 11:44 PM


yenmor writes:
Let just say I wasn't very tolerant.
On the bright side, you can recognize intolerance in yourself. That's the first step toward reducing your own intolerance.
A lot of people would just say, "How dare you suggest that I'm intolerant?"

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ringo
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Message 66 of 77 (704976)
08-21-2013 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Rahvin
08-20-2013 6:41 PM


Re: Harm to others
Rahvin writes:
Given your actual words, perhaps it would have been more effective for you to specify that access to public medical care is not what should be restricted, but rather that the injured party should simply receive the bill.
I think it's pretty clear that "public medical care" refers to billing, not access. (And I don't agree with jar's position, by the way. I believe in unconditional universal publicly-funded healthcare.)

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ringo
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Message 70 of 77 (704990)
08-21-2013 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Perdition
08-21-2013 1:51 PM


Re: Harm to others
Perdition writes:
Are you really expecting everyone else to pay for Joan Rivers' next face lift?
Well, I wasn't really thinking of that as "health" care.

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ringo
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Message 72 of 77 (704994)
08-21-2013 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by New Cat's Eye
08-21-2013 5:00 PM


Re: Harm to others
Catholic Scientist writes:
What if she has an Integrity Identity Disorder and just can't bear to live with a wrinkly face?
Mental health counts as health.

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ringo
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Message 74 of 77 (705028)
08-22-2013 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Perdition
08-21-2013 5:14 PM


Re: Harm to others
Perdition writes:
Determining necessity would require a discussion with the patient, any relevant doctor, and the agency that actually pays out the money.
In the case of a motorcycle accident, that would be fairly easy. Was the procedure necessary to save the patient's life, to minimize brain damage, etc.? Whether or not he was wearing a helmet is not a factor in that determination.
To recap: How the patient got into a state of "disorder" is irrelevant (to me). He should have unconditional cost-free access to any procedure necessary to get him out of it.

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ringo
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Message 76 of 77 (705048)
08-22-2013 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Perdition
08-22-2013 12:42 PM


Re: Harm to others
Perdition writes:
Well, nothing is "cost-free" it would just come out of everyone's taxes....
I just want to SHRIEK! when I hear that. Obviously "cost-free" means cost-free to the end-user, not cost-free to the entire universe for all time.

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