Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,808 Year: 3,065/9,624 Month: 910/1,588 Week: 93/223 Day: 4/17 Hour: 1/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Ruling out an expanding universe with conventional proofs
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 133 of 223 (702845)
07-11-2013 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Alphabob
07-11-2013 12:55 PM


Re: Call for CaveDiver or Son Goku
As for the CMBR, the temperature appears isotropic because only gravitational redshift and relative motion will vary it. With the surface of the central core having constant relative redshift (gravitational), the deflection of light simply projects it into all directions locally. The dipole moment arises from the relative motion of the solar system. There is also some scattering from intergalactic gas or the hot x-ray emitting gas in local clusters.
This would need to be backed up by some math. I read this claim in your paper and it wasn't well supported there either. It is counter-intuitive that CMBR would come from a single point in a non-expanding universe and yet still be traveling towards us from all directions billions of years after it was emitted and appear almost completely isotropic. On the other hand, that state of affairs is easily understood from standard cosmology.
Added by Edit
What should be seen according to my theory is a directional dependence of distance versus redshift for SNIa.
This is not an answer to any question that I asked you.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 131 by Alphabob, posted 07-11-2013 12:55 PM Alphabob has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 134 by Alphabob, posted 07-12-2013 1:04 PM NoNukes has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 139 of 223 (704521)
08-11-2013 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Dogmafood
08-10-2013 9:45 PM


Re: The Big Bump
I am surprised that Alphabob's claim that there is a centre to the non-expanding universe has met such a meagre resistance from this group. Or has he been dismissed?
I have not dismissed his claims. But the paper in which the claims are written is mostly beyond my own capabilities to critique. Accordingly most of the discussion here has been about AlphaBob's methods and manner for promoting himself. He sounds like a crank.
I've asked questions about how differently the universe would appear under his proposals and how his proposals explain what we observe, and in my opinion, the answers are unsatisfying.
At this point, I think it is best to see what Cavediver or Son Goku make of the paper.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 138 by Dogmafood, posted 08-10-2013 9:45 PM Dogmafood has seen this message but not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 140 by Percy, posted 08-11-2013 9:13 PM NoNukes has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 146 of 223 (704989)
08-21-2013 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Alphabob
08-21-2013 12:28 PM


Re: Minority Report
was actually going to post that story to see if NoNukes believes that Wetterich is a crank for proposing a theory that so clearly violates fundamental laws of physics.
No, I don't believe that simply proposing an explanation makes one a crank. If you'd like me to point out some distinctions between Wetterich's presentation and your presentation here, I'd be happy to do so.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 145 by Alphabob, posted 08-21-2013 12:28 PM Alphabob has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 147 by Alphabob, posted 08-22-2013 11:52 AM NoNukes has replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 149 of 223 (705049)
08-22-2013 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Alphabob
08-22-2013 11:52 AM


Re: Minority Report
Well for one he didn't go through being censored by arxiv. Here's some more distinctions:
Okay, bro...
Perhaps the science/math in the paper is not valid. Perhaps that is also true about your paper. I have not even seen either his paper or any direct statements from Wetterich about the content.
As I have repeatedly stated in my past comments, it is primarily your behavior here and your own description about your behavior elsewhere that appears highly crank like. I haven't seen or heard of any of Wetterich's behavior.
So far I haven't seen any indication that Wetterich expects an honorary doctorate from his work or that he believes such an honor would be a viable alternative to an academic degree. I haven't seen any complaints from Wetterich based on not being allowed to host his paper on someone else's server for free. I also see actual positive comments about the content of the paper from a named scientist or two and not empty bragging about 'endorsements' that have nothing to do with the content of the paper. And I haven't seen Wetterich whining about censorship despite his paper being unpublished.
Now perhaps those things will turn up. But we cannot see any of them in the article that was posted. And given that the article is from a newspaper I'm not going to assume that the article is even an accurate description of the paper.
quote:
Wetterich takes the detached, even playful, view that his work marks a change in perspective...
In short, I have no indication yet that Wetterich is a whiny brat with illusions about his place in science, and plenty of reasons to suspect that you are such.
His theory violates fundamental laws of physics
Perhaps. It may well be that Wetterich recognizes that.
His theory cannot be tested
His theory makes no predictions
I don't know if those statements are true, and I am certainly not going to take your word for them.
4. It lacks peer-review
As is the case for the majority of the papers on arxiv.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 147 by Alphabob, posted 08-22-2013 11:52 AM Alphabob has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 151 of 223 (705139)
08-23-2013 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Alphabob
08-23-2013 11:51 AM


Re: Minority Report
Arxiv is the controlling body of preprints, as posting on vixra seemingly makes you a "crank". I received endorsement to upload, where the endorser is suppose to skim through the paper and ensure it meets the requirements of arxiv (so it is actually being endorsed). Arxiv moderation suppressed my research as they determined it to be inconvenient with respect to their interests.
Sounds like you want to continue Operation Foot-Bullet.
Nobody suppressed your speech. You have no God given, constitutionally provided, or inherent right to speak in someone else's auditorium. Arxiv did not facilitate your speech. Neither did CNN.
"Arxiv is the controlling body of preprints,"
No Arxiv is not the controlling body of preprints. Arxiv controls only what gets uploaded to their own servers. And if indeed it is true that other similar services are considered hosts of cranky papers, it surely must be arxiv's acceptance/rejection policy that has created the distinction between themselves and others.
"My second paper will be finished soon and I'll let that do the talking."
My guess is that there will be more whining to come. But I'd love to be wrong about that.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 150 by Alphabob, posted 08-23-2013 11:51 AM Alphabob has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 153 by Alphabob, posted 08-25-2013 12:40 PM NoNukes has replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


(2)
Message 154 of 223 (705248)
08-25-2013 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Alphabob
08-25-2013 12:40 PM


Kook Report
Considering that public funding has been used to create arxiv, it's not really their "auditorium".
By your reasoning, you have a right to drop by a naval base and take a ride on an F-18 plane at your whim. After all those jets are paid for with public money.
Paid for by public money does not mean that a resource belongs to you. And by your own admission arxiv is not a government server. It belongs to the people who run it.
You cannot seem to drop this subject. I note here that you are the one who brought the subject up this time. I also note that you cherry picked a single one of my observations about you and that your response has the underpinning of entitlement that pervades your presence here.
Nobody owes you a spot in a journal or on any server that you don't pay for. Nobody is deleting your work from your hard drive or taking any other steps to prevent you from displaying your work. A number of people are not assisting you in doing so, but they don't owe you that.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 153 by Alphabob, posted 08-25-2013 12:40 PM Alphabob has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 155 by Alphabob, posted 08-27-2013 12:11 PM NoNukes has replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


(2)
Message 157 of 223 (705462)
08-27-2013 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by Percy
08-27-2013 1:03 PM


Re: Kook Report
and they prefer less to discuss their ideas than complain about perceived censorship and ill treatment.
Exactly.
John Baez created a Crackpot Index that points some humor at this phenomena. A good portion of the index involves assigning points for paranoid/martyr behavior.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
Excerpts below:
quote:
20 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Newton or claim that classical mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).
20 points for defending yourself by bringing up (real or imagined) ridicule accorded to your past theories.
20 points for naming something after yourself. (E.g., talking about the "The Evans Field Equation" when your name happens to be Evans.)
20 points for each use of the phrase "hidebound reactionary".
20 points for each use of the phrase "self-appointed defender of the orthodoxy".
ABE: I cannot believe I did not highlight this one:
quote:
40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.
I believe Dr. Baez could add a few more lines to his index by borrowing from this thread.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 156 by Percy, posted 08-27-2013 1:03 PM Percy has seen this message but not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


(2)
Message 158 of 223 (705463)
08-27-2013 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Alphabob
08-27-2013 12:11 PM


Re: Kook Report
Now, we can end this pointless discussion on censorship and cranks unless you have a better definition for these words. The facts have already been laid out and it appears that you wish to ignore most of them.
You can stop participating in this discussion anytime you'd like. You've already claimed to have quit at least once. I thought that my prediction that you'd return to whine more would slow you down a bit, but apparently not.
ABE:
I'm going to note that your non-response did not address a single point I made in contradiction to your claims of suppression. You simply repeated your ridiculous claim that arvix failure to host your paper at your request is actually suppression. I suppose that kooky claims are part of your charm.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 155 by Alphabob, posted 08-27-2013 12:11 PM Alphabob has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 177 of 223 (705621)
08-29-2013 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Son Goku
08-29-2013 12:23 PM


Alleged flaws in GR
Son Goku,
I am particularly interested in the alleged flaws in GR that are described starting at the end of page 23 and continuing forward. In particular AB makes a number of what appear to me to be naked assumptions about GR errors, but I cannot discount the possibility that I simply cannot follow the paper.
For example, AB claims to have demonstrated that "the metric of space-time is of mathematical origin and plays no role in the physical structure of space" midway through the first column of page 24.
In the first column of page 25, AB alleges (essentially) that it is mere coincidence that the periastron advance of binary system PSR B1913+16 agrees with GR. He also argues that it is improbable that gravity waves have yet to be detected if they actually exist, whereas it is my understanding that most of the experiments performed so far have a low or zero probability for detecting gravity waves. AB seems to think that accumulating a bunch of zero or near zero experiments ought to add up to something fairly substantial, but the analysis looks simplistic to me.
Can you express an opinion re: these pages of AB's work?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 174 by Son Goku, posted 08-29-2013 12:23 PM Son Goku has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 179 by Son Goku, posted 08-30-2013 5:04 AM NoNukes has seen this message but not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 188 of 223 (742383)
11-19-2014 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by justatruthseeker
11-19-2014 8:26 AM


Mainstream has yet to show that GR applies anywhere but in the solar system in describing the behavior of solids, liquids and gasses.
Wrong. GR applies just fine to binary and other multiple star systems. In fact in some cases we can verify that it works on such systems when Newtonian gravity does not. Perhaps you want to restate your objection more accurately.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 184 by justatruthseeker, posted 11-19-2014 8:26 AM justatruthseeker has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024