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jar
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Message 188 of 226 (705974)
09-04-2013 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Dawn Bertot
09-04-2013 4:45 PM


Re: whats your "evidence" for that?
I am suggesting that from the very begginning of Christianity, we know and have a standard, rule and guide (Which is meant by Canon) that is reliable as being from its original source
If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that is not what Canon means and that there is no universal Canon.
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Message 193 of 226 (706069)
09-05-2013 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Dawn Bertot
09-05-2013 5:10 PM


Common books?
Actually Dawn, the only books that are universally Canonized are the first five books of the Old Testament.
None of the New Testament books are universally accepted.

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Message 204 of 226 (706329)
09-09-2013 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Dawn Bertot
09-09-2013 4:54 PM


Re: whats your "evidence" for that?
Ive provided numerous times now that the earliest fathers substantiated and gave thier approval of certain books that they considered as inspired and authentic.
But they have never agreed on exactly which books that would be. There is no universal Canon and the only books that are common to all the Canons are the first five books of the Old Testament.

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jar
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Message 208 of 226 (706391)
09-10-2013 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Dawn Bertot
09-10-2013 4:47 PM


There is no universal Christian Canon
You really don't know shit about the Bible, Canons or Christianity do you?
Well the first thing I wouldnt do is run around trying to figure out which writings belong to who. Why you ask yourself? Simply because i already know by being a part of that time period and being close to those events, what goes where. Its not rocket science
More bullshit and misrepresentation at best.
No Canon was made by people being part of that time period, what ever that even means. The earliest Christian Canons were created hundreds of years after the fact. In fact, the separation between when Jesus lived and when the first Christian Canon was created is about the same as between today and when Shakespeare was alive, and we still are unsure of who wrote Shakespeare's play.
Sure there were some people that for personal beliefs that rejected this or that, but the corpus was unanimous
Bullshit. There is no unanimous corpus, a fact that as has been pointed out to you. The smallest Christian Canon contains only those books that had been Canonized while Jesus was alive; the first five books of the Old Testament. All of the New Testament is considered extra-canonical. The largest Christian Canon contains over 80 books.
There is no universal Christian Canon.

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jar
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Message 210 of 226 (706393)
09-10-2013 5:15 PM
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09-10-2013 5:05 PM


Re: There is no universal Christian Canon
LOL.
There is no list of what is reliable agreed upon in any Christian Canon beyond the first five books of the Old Testament.
They did not compile one list of hat was reliable.
They DID decide what book went into each Canon.
It really is simple.

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Message 215 of 226 (706451)
09-11-2013 8:54 PM
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09-11-2013 8:46 PM


Re: whats your "evidence" for that?
Yet none of Paul's letters regardless of who actually wrote them, Mark, Luke, John or Matthew made it into some Christian Canon and First Adam & Eve and the Book of Enoch did make it into some Christian Canon.

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jar
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Message 217 of 226 (706465)
09-12-2013 8:35 AM
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09-11-2013 10:11 PM


Re: whats your "evidence" for that?
There is no Uniform Canon.
There are many different Canons.
The smallest has only 5 Books in it.
The largest has over 80 Books in it.
Each Chapter of Club Christian believes their Canon is authoritative based on time and history.
The "Muratorian fragment" is from the 7th century and so certainly did not get written by anyone close to the events.
Since ALL of the New Testament books are considered as extra-canonical by some Chapters of Club Christian that wiki statement is certainly false.

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