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ringo
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Message 946 of 1485 (708687)
10-12-2013 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 943 by Jon
10-12-2013 9:01 AM


Re: The Creationist Within
Jon writes:
All you folks insisting that the Tea Party is a wholly racist movement are acting like creationists.
"Wholly" might not be the best word there, Mr. Linguist. How about "profoundly"? Or "endemically"?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 947 of 1485 (708689)
10-12-2013 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 942 by yenmor
10-12-2013 1:50 AM


Just exactly how many times do we have to tell them that our taxes hasn't increased at all and have actually lowered since Obama took office before we can say "ok, something else is driving these people beside ignorance and misinformation"?
What!? There was a payroll tax increase in January that affected everybody who was employed. My weekly check dropped by almost 5%.

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onifre
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Message 948 of 1485 (708693)
10-12-2013 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 942 by yenmor
10-12-2013 1:50 AM


Re: How I learned to stop worrying and default...
Hello Rahvin again, I was out all day with my boyfriend ...
We get it! You're gay!
Sorry, I was going to write more but my girlfriend (hetero) asked to blow me. Please excuse me. TTFN
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 949 of 1485 (708694)
10-12-2013 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 943 by Jon
10-12-2013 9:01 AM


Re: The Creationist Within
All you folks insisting that the Tea Party is a wholly racist movement are acting like creationists.
No one has said that the Tea PArty is a wholly racist movement. But with that being said, there is plenty of evidence of racism from the Tea Party.
Denying that makes YOU the creationist ignoring evidence.
'Evolutionists are all atheists'
IF anyone here said "Tea Party members are ALL racist" then you'd have a point. But no one has said that. So you've set up a strawman to beat the shit out of.
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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yenmor
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Message 950 of 1485 (708696)
10-12-2013 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 947 by New Cat's Eye
10-12-2013 11:56 AM


I'm flattered that you only found 1 thing to nitpick from my post.
You are right that there was an increase in payroll tax in January.
So, are you claiming that the tea party has a time machine that could see into the future? Because they started crying bloody murder that Obama was taxing them to death even before Obama swore into office.

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yenmor
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Message 951 of 1485 (708698)
10-12-2013 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 948 by onifre
10-12-2013 12:09 PM


Re: How I learned to stop worrying and default...
What, I can't be a woman? Are you a sexist pig?
Added by edit.
Now that I think about it, I kinda find it disturbing that I casually revealed who I was out and about all day with and it is treated as me flaunting my sexuality. Isn't it normal speak that people say "my wife and I blah blah..."? At work, I hear the guys refer to their wives and girlfriends all the time. Considering I work in a somewhat homophobic profession, I have to bite my tongue every time I was about to say share something.
Actually, one of the workers the other day really tried to press me to use a genderized pronoun. You see, it's pretty much a habit of mine to use gender-neutral pronouns in everything. Well, one of the guys noticed.
Anyway, back to topic. Long Live King George!
Edited by yenmor, : No reason given.

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onifre
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Message 952 of 1485 (708712)
10-12-2013 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 951 by yenmor
10-12-2013 12:37 PM


Re: How I learned to stop worrying and default...
What, I can't be a woman?
You started a thread about being gay, and having a boyfriend. So no, I assume from all that, if you were being honest, that you are not a woman.
Are you a sexist pig?
No totally. But I am a little sexist curious.
Now that I think about it, I kinda find it disturbing that I casually revealed who I was out and about all day with and it is treated as me flaunting my sexuality.
I was jokingly treating it as though you were flaunting your sexuality. Yes, I did that.
- Oni

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yenmor
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Message 953 of 1485 (708715)
10-12-2013 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 952 by onifre
10-12-2013 4:13 PM


Re: How I learned to stop worrying and default...
Ah, ok. If you are going into comedy, don't quit your day job just yet.

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Omnivorous
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Message 954 of 1485 (708716)
10-12-2013 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 947 by New Cat's Eye
10-12-2013 11:56 AM


Can you do the propaganda?
CS writes:
What!? There was a payroll tax increase in January that affected everybody who was employed. My weekly check dropped by almost 5%.
Just when I think I can go Inactive and lurk, you have to post this kinda crap.
In January, a temporary tax holiday expired. The payroll tax reverted to 6.2%, marking the end of a temporary reduction. Both Romney and Obama, and both parties in Congress, supported the expiration of a tax holiday meant to help working/middle class folks weather the recession.
Conservative Republicans in Congress opposed the original tax holiday, as well as the several extensions, all championed by Democrats.
Forbes--those rabidly pro-Obama folks--have a great summary:
quote:
When originally enacted in December 2010, the 2% reduction was originally scheduled to last only one year, its finite nature evidenced by its description in the statute as a payroll tax holiday.
The point of the provision, as you might imagine, was to help lower and middle-class taxpayers weather the recession by putting more after-tax cash in their pockets. Specifically, the payroll tax cut replaced and expanded upon the Making Work Pay Credit, which during 2009 and 2010 saved individuals earning less than $75,000 up to $400 and married couples earning less than $150,000 up to $800. Because the 2% payroll tax cut reduction applied to the first $106,800 of a taxpayer’s wages, the new law could save an indivdual as much as $2,136, or twice that for married couples.
As 2011 drew to a close and the sun was due to set on the payroll tax cut, Congress did what it does best, agreeing to a last-minute, ill-conceived two-month extension that was not offset with any increased revenue or spending cuts. In February, they did it again, this time extending the 2% reduction through the end of 2012.
Throughout this time, Americans got accustomed to their fatter paychecks. But if they’d been paying attention, they would have noticed that the end was near.
Leading up to the Presidential election, neither Barack Obama nor Mitt Romney promised to further extend the payroll tax cut. In fact, if one were to dig deep into each man’s tax proposals, one would see that both Obama and Romney intended to allow the tax cut to expire. And effective January 1, 2013, it did.
Naturally, Republicans, especially TP Republicans, are now hootin' and hollerin' that "Obama has raised your taxes"--skating past the facts that they opposed any tax holiday at all, opposed its extension and insisted on its temporary nature.
So, yes, Obama lowered your taxes--over the protests of the GOP.
He extended that tax holiday--over the protests of the GOP.
So when you hear otherwise from conservative sources, know you are hearing deliberate, contemptible lies.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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ramoss
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Message 955 of 1485 (708733)
10-13-2013 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 943 by Jon
10-12-2013 9:01 AM


Re: The Creationist Wi
While not all tea party people are racist, a large majority of them are.
There is evidence.

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ramoss
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Message 956 of 1485 (708734)
10-13-2013 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 947 by New Cat's Eye
10-12-2013 11:56 AM


You mean, a temporary tax cut expired, and was not renewed. You didn't jump up and down for joy when it was instituted under Obama, but you sure complained when it expired and was not renewed.

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frako
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Message 957 of 1485 (708747)
10-13-2013 8:20 PM


Meanwhile the rest of the world is listening to china who proposes that the world should be deamerikinized. I agree

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

  
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Message 958 of 1485 (708801)
10-14-2013 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 935 by Diomedes
10-11-2013 2:48 PM


Re: How I learned to stop worrying and default...
And you would not expect it to. Was that not the initial point that it is essentially a subterfuge to mask their true motives? None of them (except for a few) will come right out and say it.
While it may smell of racism, I don't think it is. I think it is xenophobia which is a little bit different than racism. Many conservatives realize that they are becoming less and less dominant within society. They are being taken over by the "other". Who better to epitomize that otherness than a half-Kenyan president whose name is Barak Obama.
I think they are starting to see that their brand of conservatism can never be a national party. They can't win the White House or the Senate with their platform, so their best and only strategy is what we see now. Gerrymander the shit out of the states that are controlled by Republicans so that you can control the House and stop legislation.

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Message 959 of 1485 (708802)
10-14-2013 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 958 by Taq
10-14-2013 3:56 PM


Re: How I learned to stop worrying and default...
While it may smell of racism, I don't think it is. I think it is xenophobia which is a little bit different than racism.
It is a highly specific type of xenophobia which does not apply to people with Canadian citizenship (i.e. Cruz) but that does apply to a person of African descent. I don't see much of a distinction between that kind of xenophobia and racism, but I'm open to hear one.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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xongsmith
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Message 960 of 1485 (708827)
10-15-2013 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 959 by NoNukes
10-14-2013 4:30 PM


Re: How I learned to stop worrying and default...
NoNukes asks for examples:
It is a highly specific type of xenophobia which does not apply to people with Canadian citizenship (i.e. Cruz) but that does apply to a person of African descent. I don't see much of a distinction between that kind of xenophobia and racism, but I'm open to hear one.
Canadian Indians, Eskimos
Anyone else NOT white, which isn't constricted to those of African descent
Women
Children
LGBT
Atheists
Muslims
Scientists
Musicians other than Country Western
Poets
Communists
Socialists
Liberals
Moderate Republicans (most have switched to the Democratic party temporarily)
In a certain way, racism against Asians is the most insidious.
Edited by xongsmith, : some more

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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