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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Pope Francis has quickly won my heart and my respect (event though I am not a Roman Catholic) due to his actions and his intelligence in regards to matters of the faith.
He recently published his official platform, Apostolic Exhortation which is a delightful read and a vigorous defense of what it means, at least in the Popes mind, to be a Christian. Some excerpts:
1.THE JOY OF THE GOSPEL fills the hearts and lives of all who encounter Jesus. Those who accept his offer of salvation are set free from sin, sorrow, inner emptiness and loneliness. With Christ joy is constantly born anew. In this Exhortation I wish to encourage the Christian faithful to embark upon a new chapter of evangelization marked by this joy, while pointing out new paths for the Church’s journey in years to come. As an aside to jar and Ringo, the Pope stresses works as an action that rekindles the heart of joy found within us.
I can say that the most beautiful and natural expressions of joy which I have seen in my life were in poor people who had little to hold on to. I also think of the real joy shown by others who, even amid pressing professional obligations, were able to preserve, in detachment and simplicity, a heart full of faith. In their own way, all these instances of joy flow from the infinite love of God, who has revealed himself to us in Jesus Christ. I never tire of repeating those words of Benedict XVI which take us to the very heart of the Gospel: Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction I was onced asked what it meant to walk in the Spirit. The Pope explains it magnificently. Though it is true that this mission demands great generosity on our part, it would be wrong to see it as a heroic individual undertaking, for it is first and foremost the Lord’s work, surpassing anything which we can see and understand. Jesus is the first and greatest evangelizer.[9] In every activity of evangelization, the primacy always belongs to God, who has called us to cooperate with him and who leads us on by by the power of his Spirit. As I present this topic for promotion, I am still reading the 49 page Exhortation, and urge participants to do likewise. For the first time since John Paul II I can say that this man is truly saved---a born again Pope. I like his take on economics as well. It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare. Why not turn to God and ask him to inspire their plans? I am firmly convinced that openness to the transcendent can bring about a new political and economic mindset which would help to break down the wall of separation between the economy and the common good of society. Faith & Belief, please.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Thread copied here from the APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION of Pope Francis thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
This pope may yet turn out to be a decent bloke, he's proposing some pretty big reforms in the Vatican and seems to actually want to do more for the poor rather than just make things worse for them like the last two.
God knows he needs to sort it out, the catholic church is all but defunct in the Western world, its abuses are now in plain view. He can only sell his snake oil to people without TV now. He's a bloody Jesuit though, the worst of the worse, the catholic SAS.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android |
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Yea i like the new pope too, its about time the church stops picking on the gays, and hoarding wealth like they can take it with them.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Not that I would ever be argumentative about anything but your quote seems to say the opposite:
As an aside to jar and Ringo, the Pope stresses works as an action that rekindles the heart of joy found within us.quote:Poor people are full of joy and "others" get joy from faith. So let's make more poor people and spread the joy.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I have nothing against being poor as long as I lived in a poor country. My problem is being poor while living in a wealthy country.
Hence my anger against the Republican party. Look what the Pope says.
quote: Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
How can anyone give any heed to the mutterings of some religious fanatic? The same self-serving articles of faith, as always, without contributing anything of value to the human condition.
Let me just give one part that bothered me. Paragraph 34:
In today’s world of instant communication and occasionally biased media coverage, the message we preach runs a greater risk of being distorted or reduced to some of its secondary aspects. In this way certain issues which are part of the Church’s moral teaching are taken out of the context which gives them their meaning. To paraphrase:
We know God rails against contraception, hates condoms and we would forbid their use everywhere for all time. The world's distortion of this holy teaching by pointing to the slaughter of millions from AIDS as a direct consequence of this holy teaching is of no meaningful concern to us. This Exhortation has nothing of value for the world. Now, if he really wanted to do something, like maybe, just for jollies, actually follow the teachings and requirements of his supposed lord and savior then maybe the world would be moved to listen. Announce that the church will sell off all of its treasures and distribute the proceeds to the poor and needy around the world. Donate the archives to a consortium of universities. Turn Vatican City into a museum to the benefit of all the children's hospitals in Europe. Travel the world as a pauper from town to town on the small charities of others giving his homilies in the parks and on the street corners. But he cannot do this. He cannot live by the words of his Jesus because he does not believe the words of his Jesus. Except for those that give him more money and power. Evangelize, evangelize! Bring us more people who will tithe into our treasuries. Amen. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : more change
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It's better to be poor in a rich country than to be poor in a poor country.
My problem is being poor while living in a wealthy country. Phat writes:
The US has a long history of people with no slaves defending slavery and people with no capital defending capitalism. Evolution has produced social behaviour in many species but the insane espousal of "individualism" in some humans is counterproductive not only for the species as a whole but for many of the individuals themselves.
Hence my anger against the Republican party.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: I know that its folly to desire to be rich. I dont ask for much. We had a union rally yesterday in front of the Wal Mart, where the employees work for close to minimum wage and who have to go on medicaid to get health insurance. Our signs read that we want the average employee to make $25,000 a year at full-time...which is assuredly NOT wealthy. The Pope mentions the insanity of the competitive nature of capitalism...I too get outraged when I have, in my lifetime, become part of the marginalized people. ...the insane espousal of "individualism" in some humans is counterproductive not only for the species as a whole but for many of the individuals themselves. The challenge for me as to how the latter part of my life plays out is whether I can handle being poor. Im too tired to do the work required to earn the same wage that was once handed to me.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I think one year in my life I made $25,000 (Canadian).
Our signs read that we want the average employee to make $25,000 a year at full-time...which is assuredly NOT wealthy. Phat writes:
Maybe you should try being poor now so you know what to expect.
The challenge for me as to how the latter part of my life plays out is whether I can handle being poor.
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I think one year in my life I made $25,000 (Canadian). What, like, as a minimum?
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo is not a wealthy man, but he seems to think that 25k is wealthy. Here in America, our average wage citywide is closer to 30K and...*for emphasis* this is NOT even close to wealthy.
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Jon Inactive Member
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Here in America, our average wage citywide is closer to 30K and...*for emphasis* this is NOT even close to wealthy. Of course not; especially if you measure wealth in terms of people who But $30,000 is a comfortable enough amount of money. It's nothing to complain about.Love your enemies!
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ringo is not a wealthy man, How do you know? Maybe he's sitting on a pile of cash and just likes to live out in the middle of nowhere... and having to go to the library to use the internet.
but he seems to think that 25k is wealthy. Doesn't seem that way to me... all he said was that one year he made 25k.
Here in America, our average wage citywide is closer to 30K and...*for emphasis* this is NOT even close to wealthy. No shit. 30k sucks. I made more than that right out of college. Most of your money would go to expenses, and there'd be hardly any left to have fun with. But you shouldn't measure wealth as "income". Wealth is owning land, real estate, assets, capital, etc.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Catholic Scientist writes:
Maximum, as in "the most I've ever made in a year"; it was around 1996. I honestly don't know how I'd spend 25K in a year. The year I did make 25K I gave about a third of it away and put another third in the bank. What, like, as a minimum? Right now I'm making about 300 a week.
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