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Author Topic:   Chalk takes millions of years to form
RAZD
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Message 26 of 57 (713306)
12-11-2013 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Faith
12-11-2013 12:29 PM


evolution in chalk bed
A Floodist like me would hypothesize that the cliffs were like any of the thick strata anywhere on the earth, the result of the transportation by water of already-formed already-existent particles to their current location, and that before the Flood conditions were such that it didn't take so long for them to accumulate anyway. Any reason why this isn't possible?
I'll add one that hasn't been mentioned yet: they are layered in their deposits in the Dover cliffs, they can be distinguished by their forms - as can diatoms and foraminifera - and the ones at the bottom are different from the ones in the middle and both are different from the ones at the top, and in between they go through many evolutionary processes that can be observed and documented.
To have them dumped as you propose would not work because the layers would be jumbled not sorted, and would not show the pattern of development from bottom to top.
This is no different from over 65,000,000 years of foraminifera deposits on the sea floor being layered in evolutionary strata that shows speciation and differentiation from bottom to top ... no different from the layers of marine deposits in mountains (like Mt Everest even) that show evolution from bottom to top instead of the jumbled mish-mash of creationist ignorance ... no different from the rest of the world ...
So no, they can't be sucked up and piled from some world-wide distributions of dead deposits of purported pre-flood fantasy stockpiles.
The world is OLD Faith, very OLD, get used to it. No different, really, than going around the sun ... open your eyes and join the real world.
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Message 28 of 57 (713310)
12-11-2013 9:56 PM
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12-11-2013 11:10 AM


chalk clifffs and glyphs
been there
done that
got the t-shirt
wore it
wore it out
used the rag to wash my car
fond memories
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Message 30 of 57 (713317)
12-11-2013 11:22 PM
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12-11-2013 10:50 PM


Re: evolution in chalk bed
Of course I do not accept that interpretation of the ordering of fossils as proving evolution up some fantasy time scale. There has to be a mechanical principle of sorting that explains it.
There is ... it is called evolution. It's all around you.
You don't have one.
The world is YOUNG, RAZD, very YOUNG, because the God who made even you said so.
And for this god, it would appear that 4.6 billion years is young ...
Curiously, My god said "Look at the universe and see the wonders that I have wrought"
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Message 34 of 57 (713337)
12-12-2013 8:43 AM
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12-12-2013 2:42 AM


Re: evolution in chalk bed
MICROevolution is all around me, species-to-species evolution is a delusion.
Microevolution ... is indistinguishable from macroevolution ... it's just a different time scale ... but it is going on now as well.
If you look at a movie frame by frame you don't see movement, it is only when you look at the frames flickering past that this becomes apparent.
The process of evolution involves changes in the composition of hereditary traits, and changes to the frequency of their distributions within breeding populations from generation to generation, in response to ecological challenges and opportunities.
This has been observed and it is a fact that this happens all around us.
If we look at the continued effects of evolution over many generations, the accumulation of changes from generation to generation may become sufficient for individuals to develop combinations of traits that are observably different from the ancestral parent population. This lineal change within species is sometimes called phyletic change in species, or phyletic speciation. This is also sometimes called arbitrary speciation in that the place to draw the line between linearly evolved genealogical populations is subjective, and because the definition of species in general is tentative and sometimes arbitrary.
The process of phyletic change in species with the accumulation of changes over many generations, is an observed, known objective fact, and not an untested hypothesis.d
The process of divergent speciation involves the division of a parent population into two or more reproductively isolated daughter populations, which then are free to (micro) evolve independently of each other.
The process ofdivergent speciation with the subsequent formation of a branching nested genealogy of descent from common ancestor populations is an observed, known objective fact, and not an untested hypothesis.
This means that the basic process of "macroevolution" is an observed, known objective fact, and not an untested hypothesis, even if major groups of species are not directly observed forming (which would take many many generations).
But that is species to species evolution, Faith ... it has been observed.
Yeah, well you made up your god, he says what you want him to say. Mine inspired 66 written testimonies of Him by at least forty men over 1500 years and He says the earth is young. He also said His Creation was "good."
Love your tolerance, especially when you whine about intolerance for your ideas.
No it is not the bible that tells you the earth is young -- that is an invention of people, and the people that make this interpretation can't agree on time and age ... because they make it up with massive assumptions.
But after the Fall and the increasing wickedness of humanity He destroyed the entire earth with water. I take a lot of abuse for believing Him but I believe Him and I'm not going to stop believing Him. Since I know what He has said is true I know there has to be physical evidence of the Flood and it's an interesting challenge to try to find it. Some of it is really quite obvious, but that doesn't make it easy to get across to someone who refuses to see it.
You take a lot of abuse for making stuff up, stuff that has nothing to do with Jesus and stuff that is not specified in the bible.
Your posting on the Grand Canyon is typical of this: there is no mention of the Grand Canyon in the bible -- that is all you.
Curiously I have no problem with people believing in gods and their kin, but I do have problems with people spouting ignorant and false concepts as if they were blessed truths instead of fabrications made to fit the world into a man-made fantasy.
And so, no you have not explained how the chalk beds have the depth of deposits seen at Dover, nor have you explained the magic sorting into layers of different species with transitions from species to species as you travel through the layers.
Enoy.
Enjoy.

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