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Message 12 of 45 (714247)
12-20-2013 8:22 PM
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12-20-2013 5:55 PM


Re: Sea mounts
Usually the tectonic movements are at the end and /or soon after the flood. So you have the plates whizzing around at miles per day,
No, not miles per day, not even miles per year. Some time ago I calculated the speed at which the tectonic plates would be separating based on their having begun to separate at the time of the Flood, and came up with 20 FEET per day as the starting speed -- or one and a half miles or 7920 feet per YEAR, or 600 feet per month or 20 feet per day. The average speed would have been 11 feet per day. All bringing us to the current two to four inches per year as estimated by evolution writer Jerry Coyne.
Is 20 feet per day such an outlandishly fast rate? That's ten feet of separation on either side of the mid-Atlantic ridge being generated daily or less than 6 inches hourly. Again, at the beginning of the movement.

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Message 14 of 45 (714255)
12-20-2013 9:10 PM
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Re: Sea mounts
I figured a distance of 3000 miles (roughly that between Europe and North America) that had to be covered in 4300 years ending at a speed of two to four inches per year. That is what gave me the 20 feet per day starting speed.
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Message 17 of 45 (714263)
12-20-2013 9:48 PM
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12-20-2013 9:34 PM


Re: Sea mounts
You have interpretations and speculations, Coyote. The actual evidence supports creationism quite a bit better than the old earth and evolution.

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Message 21 of 45 (714279)
12-21-2013 3:18 AM
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12-20-2013 9:56 PM


Re: Sea mounts
Faith, you have calculated what would be an average speed right up to the present.
But I didn't mean that average of 11 feet per day was the speed that was held, it was just a number to put in the middle, and I figured that speed actually occurred around 100 BC. The movement started at 20 feet per day and slowed down day by day to the current 2 to 4 inches a year. The Atlantic was widening all that time.
nt of one part of the plate by several feet causes massive earthquakes like the recent-tsunami producing one. Your scenario requires these to happen world-wide on a daily basis throughout recorded history,
Well, remember we're talking something like 2350 BC, we're talking eight living human beings after the Flood, as well as a small number of animals, and when the Flood receded they were all somewhere in the Middle East, not very near the major tectonic upheavals, and nowhere near the vulcanism at the bottom of the Atlantic. Tsunamis wouldn't reach that far. They probably did feel the earthquakes but not at close range. So at first all that occurred where there was nobody around to experience any of it.
which does not seem to have happened.
How would you know if it happened or not if there was nobody around to experience it?
That is why YEC requires a huge rate of movement early, settling down before history started.
"Requires?" Simply seems to fit the biblical scenario. It's all of a piece.
Remember this also requires the sea mounts to be built in a day or two as the plates whizz over the hot spots requiring vulcanism that would make Krakatoa seem a firecracker, and doing something about those radioactive decay rates. Somewhere then you have to fit in the ice age, remembering what Isaid above.
I don't see a problem with any of that in the first few centuries after the Flood since it was during that time that all this activity got going, when there wouldn't have been anybody to be disturbed by it.
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Message 22 of 45 (714280)
12-21-2013 3:23 AM
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12-20-2013 10:00 PM


Re: Sea mounts
The point of the numbers I gave you was to answer your accusation that the YEC scenario would require "miles a day" of continental drift and it does not. That's the reason I gave the number. You could at least acknowledge that instead of changing the subject. It's a calculation based on known distance and biblically determined age.
Also, you don't seem to appreciate the fact that all those millions of years are mostly based on suppositions built on suppositions built on assumptions.

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Message 23 of 45 (714281)
12-21-2013 3:26 AM
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12-21-2013 2:46 AM


Re: Sea mounts
As a further thought, Faith, what evidence makes you think you need to have a speeded-up plate tectonics in your scenario?
God's revelation of the timing of the Flood, plus a rough estimate of the current distance across the Atlantic, plus the current rate of continental drift as calculated by Jerry Coyne.
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Message 25 of 45 (714286)
12-21-2013 4:11 AM
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12-21-2013 4:07 AM


Re: Sea mounts
I've watched all the animations, I know the basics about tectonics.
No, the Bible doesn't say anything about tectonics, but it fits beautifully with the Flood scenario as seen in the strata, as clearly some kind of force or forces distorted the strata in various ways after they were all laid down. The Bible doesn't say anything about the strata either, but it's beautiful evidence for the Flood. Sure we use the observations of science, of course. God gave the West science in the first place and true science honors God. It's the INTERPRETATIONS of the sciences that claim to understand the past that are the problem, not the actual evidence.
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Message 31 of 45 (714487)
12-23-2013 8:19 AM
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12-23-2013 8:13 AM


Re: Sea mounts: Question for Faith
Did I say I personally can interpret anything you throw at me?

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Message 33 of 45 (714496)
12-23-2013 9:09 AM
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12-23-2013 8:30 AM


Re: Sea mounts: Question for Faith
If you just want a shot at it off the top of my head, I'd say of course there's a difference in age, just not millions of years difference, just as there's a difference in age between lower and upper layers of sediments, just not millions of years. Same as with the separation of the continents, it takes time, just not millions of years.
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Message 37 of 45 (714813)
12-28-2013 6:46 AM
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12-28-2013 6:37 AM


Re: Sea mounts
Yeah, so you all say and of course you MUST be right because you were there and witnessed it. No, there has to have been a cooling factor you aren't taking into account. In any case, it would be nice to have it acknowledged that twenty feet a day is not the miles a day the anti-Floodists impute to creationists. And as I've been fiddling with the numbers recently it comes out to less than that anyway. Well, I'm no mathematician. Get four and a half feet one time and ten feet another. Oh well.

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Message 41 of 45 (714825)
12-28-2013 8:39 AM
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12-28-2013 7:59 AM


Re: Sea mounts
I don't understand how anyone can get miles a day out of the simple problem of three thousand miles of distance covered in 4300 years.
Etewitness acciounts are certainly a lot more reliable than conjurings about the past from the present could possibly be. If he was there and died of the heat then we'd know he was right about the heaty.

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