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Message 126 of 168 (715455)
01-05-2014 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by marc9000
01-05-2014 3:23 PM


Proposed Thread: Two types of science
... science is actually divided in two, there's actual science, and there's metaphysical science ...
Agreed, there's actual science and there is "creation science" ...
But let the process begin -- be careful of what you wish for ... there will be a lot of replies: would you like to propose some "rules of engagement" to minimize your load?
I for one would like to have a ban on mocking or derisive or insulting posts, because they detract from the rest of the debate -- go somewhere else if you feel a need for that type of expression.
It should be relatively easy to show the scientific process in any science field marc9000 wishes to discuss.
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Message 133 of 168 (715486)
01-05-2014 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Faith
01-05-2014 5:07 PM


witnessed / Prehistoric Past
... I hope what I meant is now clear to you. ...
Yep. What you mean is that if you ignore everything that is known about rocks and what they can tell you about the past, and ignore all the evidence of similar processes today, and if you close your eyes and plug your ears and stuff cotton up your nose and shout loudly in all caps, you can tell yourself that there is no way to know about rocks and the past.
But you are only fooling yourself.
The only way to stop science is to invalidate it -- and that means playing on the level field without handicapping yourself by lack of knowledge.
btw Leonardo Da Vinci figured it out long ago:
quote:
Leonardo knew well the rocks and fossils (mostly Cenozoic mollusks) found in his native north Italy. No doubt he had ample opportunity to observe them during his service as an engineer and artist at the court of Lodovico Sforza, Duke of Milan, from 1482 to 1499: Vasari wrote that "Leonardo was frequently occupied in the preparation of plans to remove mountains or to pierce them with tunnels from plain to plain." He made many observations on mountains and rivers, and he grasped the principle that rocks can be formed by deposition of sediments by water, while at the same time the rivers erode rocks and carry their sediments to the sea, in a continuous grand cycle. He wrote: "The stratified stones of the mountains are all layers of clay, deposited one above the other by the various floods of the rivers. . . In every concavity at the summit of the mountains we shall always find the divisions of strata in the rocks." Leonardo appear to have grasped the law of superposition, which would later be articulated fully by the Danish scientist Nicolaus Steno in 1669: in any sequence of sedimentary rocks, the oldest rocks are those at the base. He also appears to have noticed that distinct layers of rocks and fossils could be traced over long distances, and that these layers were formed at different times: ". . . the shells in Lombardy are at four levels, and thus it is everywhere, having been made at various times." Nearly three hundred years later, the rediscovery and elaboration of these principles would make possible modern stratigraphy and geological mapping.
... As Leonardo himself wrote:
Since things are much more ancient than letters, it is no marvel if, in our day, no records exist of these seas having covered so many countries. . . But sufficient for us is the testimony of things created in the salt waters, and found again in high mountains far from the seas.

The facts, Faith, the facts show that there was no flood.
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Message 135 of 168 (715490)
01-05-2014 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by marc9000
01-05-2014 7:26 PM


Re: Proposed Thread: Two types of science
I don't care, I'll respond to whom and what I want, and I'll take all the time I need....
Okay, just trying to help.
Actual science and atheist science is more what I had in mind
I'm not sure what you mean. I've never heard of the field of atheist science -- what do they study?
Your proposed topic doesn't mention this field of study -- perhaps you can add it when your revise it.
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Message 136 of 168 (715493)
01-05-2014 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
01-05-2014 6:26 PM


Re: The Unwitnessed / Prehistoric Past
The documents are not FROM the time in question, or close enough to be authoritative, such as the Book of Genesis of course.
How about the book of Lascaux with it's anatomical depictions of animals living at the time they were made?
The Cave Art Paintings of the Lascaux Cave
Lascaux Cave Paintings - Virtual Tour on Vimeo
Documents made by humans
Do those count?
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Message 138 of 168 (715500)
01-05-2014 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Dr Adequate
01-05-2014 9:04 PM


Re: Proposed Thread: Two types of science
Reality. The bastards.
Well yes, but all sciences do that. Physics, biology, geology, chemistry, athioloigy?
A study of atheists perhaps?
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Message 166 of 168 (824941)
12-05-2017 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Phat
12-05-2017 12:13 PM


Re: The Future Of EvC
Percy has been too busy to respond, but I'd imagine that he agrees with you in that keeping everything is the best approach. Perhaps its just a pet peeve of mine...but the storage space is adequate to keep it all...
If one is browsing an old archive, the less clutter there is the easier it is to find the good stuff...but I throw out old bills over 6 months old while some people save that stuff forever...and I'm a packrat in my own affairs in other ways....
I think one set of threads you can get rid of would be the proposed new threads when they are promoted -- the promotion post says "moved to ___" but in reality it is just copied.
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Message 168 of 168 (824992)
12-06-2017 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Stile
12-05-2017 2:18 PM


Re: The Future Of EvC
However, it certainly is possible to code the display-and-database software in such a way that it looks like this, and the data is not "copied" in any way. Simply using different pointers for different portions of the data in different locations. (One section only points to the beginning data, where another section points to all the data). It would appear copied to the user... but in reality it is not.
Yes, unix (and I believe the forum is on a unix server if memory serves), and you can have multiple addresses for the same files. I used to work in a unix based cad system. But I don't know if you can limit that access to part of a file.
On a similar note, I would like to see the promotion just be a clean single post and not carry all the proposed commentary ... if they are kept separate.
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