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Message 9 of 42 (301377)
04-05-2006 9:19 PM
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04-05-2006 6:42 PM


and you beat me to it.
I was all set to start a thread with this beast ...
Some additional quotes and some comments of mine:
Tiktaalik
Remember that name.
BBC article with pictures
The 383 million-year-old specimens are described as crocodile-like animals with fins instead of limbs that probably lived in shallow water.
Before these finds, palaeontologists knew that lobe-finned fishes evolved into land-living creatures during the Devonian Period.
But fossil records showed a gap between Panderichthys, a fish that lived about 385 million years ago which shows early signs of evolving land-friendly features, and Acanthostega, the earliest known tetrapod (four-limbed land-living animals) dating from about 365 million years ago.
"The really remarkable find came when one of the crew found a snout of a flat-headed animal sticking out of the side of a cliff - that is totally what you want to find because if you are at all lucky the rest of the skeleton is back in the cliff," said Professor Shubin.
The team found three near-complete, well-preserved fossils of the new species, Tiktaalik roseae, in an area of the Arctic called the Nunavut Territory. The largest measures almost 3m (9 ft) in length.
The creature shares some characteristics with a fish; it has fins with webbing, and scales on its back.
But it also has many features in common with land animals. It has a flat crocodile-like head with eyes positioned on top and the beginnings of a neck - something not seen in fish.
"When we look inside the fin, we see a shoulder, we see an elbow, and we see an early version of a wrist, which is very similar to that of all animals that also walk on land," said Professor Shubin.
"Essentially we have an animal that is built to support itself on the ground."
Transitional elements that laid the groundwork for later evolution into land based life - another "missing link" with the transitional elements that evolutionary theory predicted.
Gardian Article, text only
Tiktaalik - the name means "a large, shallow-water fish" in the Inuit language Inuktikuk - shows that the evolution of animals from living in water to living on land happened gradually, with fish first living in shallow water.
The animal lived in the Devonian era lasting from 417m to 354m years ago, and had a skull, neck, and ribs similar to early limbed animals (known as tetrapods), as well as a more primitive jaw, fins, and scales akin to fish.
The near-pristine fossil was found on Ellesmere Island, Canada, which is 600 miles from the north pole in the Arctic Circle.
Scientists from the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia, the University of Chicago, and Harvard University led several expeditions into the inhospitable icy desert to search for the fossils.
The find is the first complete evidence of an animal that was on the verge of the transition from water to land. "The find is a dream come true," said Ted Daeschler of the Academy of Natural Sciences.
"We knew that the rocks on Ellesmere Island offered a glimpse into the right time period and were formed in the right kinds of environments to provide the potential for finding fossils documenting this important evolutionary transition."
When Tiktaalik lived, the Canadian Arctic region was part of a land mass which straddled the equator. Like the Amazon basin today, it had a subtropical climate and the animal lived in small streams. The skeleton indicates that it could support its body under the force of gravity.
The scientists looked in an area that is inhospitable to most living things today, because they knew that (a) the area dated to the right time in the geological past to be in the transitional period, and (b) at that time it had the right kind of environment for such life - it was not a lucky find in a rock quarry (like Archaeopteryx), but one based on research and prediction, in turn based on previous evidence and evolutionary theory. Where and when, consistent with geology and evolution.
(ibid)
"Most of the major joints of the fin are functional in this fish," Professor Shubin said.
"The shoulder, elbow and even parts of the wrist are already there and working in ways similar to the earliest land-living animals."
Dr Clack said that, judging from the fossil, the first evolutionary transition from sea to land probably involved learning how to breathe air. "Tiktaalik has lost a series of bones that, in fishes, covers the gill region and helps to operate the gill-breathing mechanism," she said. "The air-breathing mechanism it had would have been elaborated and having lost the series of bones that lies between the head and the shoulder girdle means it's got a neck, it can raise its head more easily in order to gulp the air.
"The flexible robust limbs appear to be connected with pushing the head out of the water to breathe the air."
Perhaps shallow muddy water low in oxygen helped this feature develop.
If you want more information, you may want ot get a copy of Nature Journal or sign up to read these Nature articles (need sign on to read full text). Its on the cover btw.
And Ratel -- you can order a copy.
Enjoy.
ps -- let the dancing spin begin eh?
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Message 18 of 42 (301750)
04-06-2006 7:26 PM
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More information.
From Nature News, Published online: 5 April 2006; | doi:10.1038/news060403-7 -- The fish that crawled out of the water (click)
Creatures with features of both fish and land-living animals have been found before. Fish that may have been beginning to 'walk' in shallow water have been found from about 385 million years ago, and fish with limbs that bear digits have been seen from more than 365 million years ago.
Specimens that fall into the gap, such as Tiktaalik, help researchers to work out the details of this transition. The newly found animal has a structure on its head that looks like a small gill slit that is on its way to becoming an ear, for example, and a long snout that would have been suited to catching prey on land.
This is a specimen in the middle of a transition, and it fits both the time and the place for such a specimen:
(ibid)
Daeschler and Shubin set off to find this missing link in the evolutionary chain back in 1999. The pair targeted Ellesmere Island after noticing that it was listed in an undergraduate textbook as exposed Devonian rock that had not previously been explored for vertebrate fossils.
The desolate area was reachable only by plane, and the weather was so bad that field work could only be done for about two months each summer. The team first walked around the rocky outcrops looking for fossils of plant life that indicated stream or delta sediments, in order to target areas that had once hosted shallow waters. "That is where the action is on the fish-to-tetrapod transition," says Daeschler.
Not just the rough spot but the specific habitat that fit the predicted model.
faith writes:
... consistent with geology and the Flood.
Why is this consistent with the Flood?
What possible flood scenario predicts (a) such a transition between whole kinds of species (not just reptile to mammal, but water to land), and (b) requires that they would be found in rocks dating to the Devonian period?
(We'll side-step for now the issue of (c) how does any flood accomplish any "ordering of fossils found in most parts of the geological column" without making errors?)
The real problem is that "the flood" does not in any way require either (a) or (b) to have happened, thus it would be more "consistent" with "the flood" if it had NOT happened.
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Message 36 of 42 (716373)
01-15-2014 11:49 AM
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New finds adds information
http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2014/01/140113154211.htm
quote:
However, only specimen blocks containing the front portion of Tiktaalik have been described thus far. As the researchers investigated additional blocks recovered from their original and subsequent expeditions to the dig site in northern Canada, they discovered the rear portion of Tiktaalik, which contained the pelves as well as partial pelvic fin material. The fossils included the complete pelvis of the original 'type' specimen, making a direct comparison of the front and rear appendages of a single animal possible.
The scientists were immediately struck by the pelvis, which was comparable to those of some early tetrapods. The Tiktaalik pelvic girdle was nearly identical in size to its shoulder girdle, a tetrapod-like characteristic. It possessed a prominent ball and socket hip joint, which connected to a highly mobile femur that could extend beneath the body. Crests on the hip for muscle attachment indicated strength and advanced fin function. And although no femur bone was found, pelvic fin material, including long fin rays, indicated the hind fin was at least as long and as complex as its forefin.
If it walks like a duck ...

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Message 38 of 42 (716377)
01-15-2014 12:17 PM
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Re: New finds adds information
Too bad it wasn't a jawbone, eh?
What I am curious about is how well this find matches what was proposed for the back half based on previous finds of only the front portion.
What excites me is that the pelvis is for the same fossil as the front portion, so there should be no complaints about mashing together fossils from different finds to make a skeleton based on assumption. But they probably will anyway (see Lucy's knee "controversy")

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Re: New finds adds information
How do they know it's the same individual? The Sciencedaily article doesn't seem to make this clear.
Because they continued the dig where they found the 'type' fossil at the end of the previous dig and stopped when they ran out of time.

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