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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
One only needs to look at my country of heritage, Greece. How can you afford a government at all? p.s. When do we get our 300 million back that we lent you? We might just take a few islands as compensation if you don't pay up soon Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Thanks for all the feed back on my question. Now I understand it all a lot better. It works so much different in my country: we have a system of proportional representation in the national parliament . The result (in theory) is that any party or individual getting 0.25% of the vote gets into parliament (total 400 seats). Unlike in the US, it leaves the doors open for lots of smaller parties to be represented. Lots of them are really, really crazy people, too. Just like in the US! It seems as if none of these different democratic systems is perfect. They all fail in one regard or another. However, history has taught us that any democratic system is way better than all the non-democratic systems ever tried. Yea i hope someday we get a direct democracy given the age of technology we live in it is already plausible to go to such a system the only problem are the old farts who are scared of computers. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
First, remember that if it was not for us old farts you wouldn't have computers. Second, you have gotta be nuts if you want a direct democracy. Really totally blindingly nuts. Haven't you been complaining about the "crazies out there" all over this board? Yea but we have crazies all over our parliaments, and senates.
Second, you have gotta be nuts if you want a direct democracy. Really totally blindingly nuts. Why you worried about minorities you can protect them via the constitution, or via veto rights, say 51% of a minority vote can veto a law directed t words minorities. You can fix all the potential problems a direct deomcracy would bring, but you get rid of all the problems a normal representative democracy brings. Like corruption, the potential for abuse, how many politicians actually do what they promise during election, and how many get re elected. How many politicians actually look out for their voters, and how many look out for their financial backers. All of this and more would be gone in a direct democracy.
First, remember that if it was not for us old farts you wouldn't have computers. It was intended as i joke i get it technology went on and you couldn't keep up. The same way i probably couldn't start a fire rubbing 2 sticks together or not burn a meal cooking it in a bread oven ... You cant punch a few buttons on a computer Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Direct democracy only works when there is an informed electorate and we have done away with that concept. Any kind of democracy needs an informed electorate. But a direct democracy would inform you when you vote for a law to be passed you would most likely read it. When you vote for a budget you would most likely find a pie chart where you can plainly see that killing big bird wont solve our financial situation.....
But I can start a fire just rubbing sticks together, cook a meal in a bread oven (even one I've made myself) and can still write an operating system from scratch. Yea well that just means your not an old fart you are just an old person I was talking about people that couldn't turn on a computer to save their life. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Why would that be any different in your direct democracy than it is today?
Yes today you vote for a guy to read the law for you and vote on it, in a direct democracy you would have to read it and vote for it. Or even propose a law. Giving you significantly more information then before. Now you get your information from the news like a law was passed 180 votes to 160 yey, did my guy vote for it, what did the law actually say you don't get those answers on the news you would have to check yourself but you don't. My way you would be forced to at least look at the law, if not read it before you vote. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
So since all the information is there already, why do you expect your direct democracy to be any different? Nobody watches because they turst the news to tell them the important stuff, in a direct democracy you would have to at least look at the bill before you vote yes or no. p.s. we have a 24/7 stream of the parliament discussion room nobody watches either. But when we have a referendum at least most of the voters read the full law, sure some just read the pamphlets that the parties put out and vote the way they tell them too but surprisingly loads actually do read the full wording of the law they got via mail. I usually don't need to go trough the full text to find why they are really changing something its usually somewhere in the middle, and it deals with stealing money or placing their relatives to positions that get paid allot. The last time they wanted to change a law about the public channel most of the changes the parties where advocating where superficial, the major change was that it would no longer be clarified as public even though it was publicly funded plus the funding of commercials. Not a big deal except if its not public they can assign wages how ever they want they dont have to follow government guidelines. And the new law got shut down. The same way you Americans would get background checks for weapons sales, 90% of you want this law, how many representatives actually represent your wishes on this? How many of you want a public option in healthcare what do your representatives say? .... Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
But yeah, I think if we were dealing with a country that had half of our population, and they all lived in an area the size of Montana, then it would be easier to lower the cost of healthcare. Nope that's not what's driving your health costs up. ITs your love of capitalism and trying to make it fit a socialist idea. Its like oil and water do sent mix. You can either say fuck the poor let them die, or use a socialist ideology and all chip in so all can get treatment. You cant have it both ways. The way my country did it was everyone has to pay for basic coverage, its cheap cause everyone chips in and it covers you for every necessity and partially covers you for non necessary stuff, you get generic drugs where applicable and whatnot. So no one is left out. Then you can have your pick of the litter on what insurance you get how much you want them to cover, you can go all wild and get one that gets you a private room when your in a hospital, and golden fillings, and whatnot. But the thing is we also have publicly owned hospitals well most of them are and we don't let private practices charge what they want for parts that are covered by basic healthcare, but for stuff that is covered by other insurances they can charge what they want and negotiate it with them. Sure we have our problems loads of money is disappearing because the ministers of health are usually doctors and dont know shit about economy so they are just throwing money at the problem hoping it will go away. well not any more as our country is going broke because of incompetence. We also had problems of waiting lines but they seemed to fix that but that's what happens if you treat everyone even the poor and the population is getting old. Although personally i would only know about emergency rooms the last time i sprained my ankle i hopped in to show the receptionist my card and tell her the problem a nurse saw m e hopping and ran for a bed they put me on to the bed and rolled me to the doctor i waited about 10 minutes for him to see me he sent me for an x ray i got rolled there waited 10 minutes for them take me in for the picture i must have waited some 15 minutes for them to give me my x ray picture and roll me back to the doctor that said nope your fine nothing i can see, he bandaged my leg up and made me hop my way out LOL. I wanted to say wtf man can someone at least roll me to the exit it still hurts like hell but i was quiet and hopped. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
My cousin is starting up a business. He bought a steel building that has to be built. The company that sold him the building said they would charge him $44,000 to construct it. He shopped around for other prices, including some unions. The cost the unions bid was $66,000 - $77,000. He told me that there's no way he could afford that much. Now, our other friend who works for the union is telling him to be careful because if the union finds out that he goes non-union, then they'll probably picket his new business. The town it's in has a lot of union workers and that could really ruin his business. We asked: "Well, can't he just build it himself?" Isn't a man allowed to build his own building on his own property without the union bullying him? They said that that would probably be okay. Then I said, well what if I helped him out for free? We're family. Can't a guy and his family build a building? Hmm, probably still okay. (Geez, I can't believe we have to get permission for this). We went further: what if we have a non-family friend that helps for free. "Hmm, that's probably pushing it, they said". That's just retardiculous, in my arrogant opinion. Well technically that is what unions do protect the workers so they don't have to undersell their work, the only option they have is to picket your cousins buisnes, if he hires workers that do the job cheaper. This all goes back to the times when workers worked 16 hour days, and if the whole family worked including the children they would scrape enough together so they can eat and have a roof over their heads. Workers banned together and said we wont work for such measly wages and the fat cats had to eventually give in. You cousin buying cheap labour is a threat to the working man's wage. A story just came out today when an immigrant was working for a building company at the end of the weak after begging for his sallery his boss threw him 5 EURo like he would to a dog. how do you know the contractor you want to hire do sent do the same to his workers. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I've just gotten these anecdotes from friends of mine in real life. These are people who do things like waiting tables and are already working less than full time. They're just being told that the owner is thinking about making them work at most 29 hours per week so they avoid the employer mandate.
Yea but think of what that will do to unemployment rates when so many new jobs are going to be opened so the employers can have the work they need done. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Um guys hows the make blowjob s ilegal guy doing?
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Take the business tax increase and laying off employees, for example. Last year my state had a business tax increase by like 2%. I remember listening on the radio on my way to work how business owners are laying people off so they could have enough money to pay the new tax. What a load of bullshit. Well i guess their ideal ratio of productivity, cost of doing business, and income got messed with when the new tax came in, and it made more sense to produce less at less cost, then the same at more cost. But it doubt that was the reason most small business owners, dont do any calculations they just go with their gut. Well at least in Slovenia, a few years ago small sawmills where selling their products at a loss because small business owners are idiots. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
So what party is the crack smoking alcohol abusing mayor of Toronto form ?
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Why is that any different than construction specs? Because its OBAMA'S plan to destroy america and freedom as we know it. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
As someone pointed this out before. There is nothing new with the aca. All of it were Republican ideas. Obama just xerox those ideas and fed them back to Republicans. And all of a sudden people like Romney went against their own proposals. Well that's because Obama is a black Muslim Kenyan devil worshipper who was sent on this earth to end america and start the end times. If he supports something it has to be evil. Its how politics work basically you have to be the enemy of the other party so your followers don't get the idea that voting for the other side is anything less then treason. Look america has its republican democrat battlefield and you must choose a side, we have "communists" and "non communists" though neither are anything close they each portray themselves as the light in the darkens and the others as the ultimate evil. Its been some 70 years since the real communists came to power and where brutal to the opposition that actually stood with the Germans during the war so they had a point they just went to fare, and the topic is still coming up in my country. its been 20 years since Slovenians independence and still they are fighting about how one side dint want to secede it was actually a good idea we had enough support in the world to force a different form of government as it was clear that every president would be Serbian in Yugoslavia after Tito because the majority where Serbian. The other side points out that their leaders where hiding during the 11 some day ware where 1 person got injured an enemy killed and some 10 20 thousand enemie combatants where captured. This is still coming up in the elections why to divide the people, because our real problems cant be solved so easily as hating the other guys. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
" I'll break you in half like a boy." YIIIIIKES To me that sounds like a weird gay porno line where a priest mounts a dude and yells il brake you in half like a boy LOL Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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