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Message 1228 of 1485 (711423)
11-18-2013 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1227 by Diomedes
11-18-2013 3:43 PM


when anyone equates socialism and communism they don't know them
So sure, pure communism is destined to fail. But a pure oligarchy will fair no better IMO.
Especially as any "communist" countries we've seen are really oligarchies ... and they have indeed failed.
Most companies, especially the large multi-nationals, are also oligarchies.
It is possible to have a democratically responsible capitalism, as we see this in democratic socialist countries with socially responsible capitalism that benefits the population.
Enjoy.

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Message 1253 of 1485 (711637)
11-20-2013 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1247 by AZPaul3
11-20-2013 4:02 PM


dark money
Congress can establish a new form of incorporation that restricts political campaigning for corporations.
A change in corporate taxes could strongly encourage migration to the new form of incorporation.
I like it. Voluntary restriction of rights.
Make it a condition for any non-profit organization or company: if you don't pay taxes then you don't mess with politics. Neither funding of campaigns nor lobbying of congress allowed.
This would go a long way to solving the dark money ...
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Message 1264 of 1485 (711740)
11-21-2013 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1262 by NoNukes
11-21-2013 7:02 PM


Re: Cover me, Koch Inc., I'm gonna take that hill.
All corporations are ultimately owned and operated by humans. So curtailing corporation speech always involves curtailing some human being's speech.
No -- those people have their own personal voice and right to speech, giving corporations the same right means that the owners have two voices (as well as dollups of cash), in addition giving corporations those rights assumes that all workers for that corporation are also wanting to express that speech -- an obvious fallacy.
Corporations are NOT people.

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Message 1277 of 1485 (711762)
11-22-2013 7:57 AM
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11-21-2013 10:10 PM


Re: Cover me, Koch Inc., I'm gonna take that hill.
What? Two voices? How so?
(1) personal spending on campaigns up to current limits
(2) corporate spending on campaigns up to current limits
Double the money, double the "voice" on the airwaves
and those limits are the next item being attacked in the court
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Message 1314 of 1485 (717932)
02-03-2014 7:53 AM


Chris Cristie
So we come to an off election year ... with people pseudocampaigning for 2016 while watching what happens in the house and senate.
Governor Chris Cristie, the almost designated GOP candidate goes down in flames with corruption swirling around him.
Anybody watching?
  1. Bridgegate lane closure for spite
  2. Strong arming for friends development in exchange for Sandy funds for Hoboken ...
  3. Former Hunterdon County prosecutor Bennett Barlyn says the reason he was fired by the Christie administration was for pursuing a corruption case against Christie allies.
  4. $6 million for Belleville Old Folks Complex --- with Sandy funds but Belleville had minor damage -- more than Hoboken.
  5. A $4.8 million apartment complex in unaffected inland suburb New Brunswick -- more than Hoboken.

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Message 1316 of 1485 (717954)
02-03-2014 10:52 AM
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02-03-2014 10:10 AM


Re: Chris Cristie
or
Looks like 2016 will be the usual parade of clowns ...
... and it looks like the cover-up is going to be what gets him.

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Message 1319 of 1485 (717963)
02-03-2014 11:31 AM
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02-03-2014 10:53 AM


Re: What about this meathead?
and a supporter of CCristie ...
One bully likes another eh?

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Message 1322 of 1485 (718000)
02-03-2014 2:55 PM
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02-03-2014 1:09 PM


Re: Chris Cristie
Yes, and I love the coverage on Rachel Maddow Show on MSNBC | Watch Rachel Maddow Live, PoliticsNation with Al Sharpton on MSNBC, All In with Chris Hayes on MSNBC | The Chris Hayes Show and Up With David Gura ...

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Message 1334 of 1485 (754112)
03-24-2015 1:45 PM
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03-23-2015 4:53 PM


Re: Ted Cruz has tweeted!
I believe senator John McCain was born in Panama.
On a military base as I recall, which is considered US soil (same as diplomatic embassy grounds)

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Message 1458 of 1485 (754411)
03-26-2015 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1425 by Dr Adequate
03-25-2015 11:44 PM


code words, dog-whistles and prejudice
Faith's a Birther?
Of course Faith's a Birther.
Looking at the broader picture of this fake issue (ie people other than Faith) I see:
(1) Obama is Kenyan: this is code for being black, but you don't get called a racist for being prejudiced about kenyans ...
(2) Obama is Muslim: this is also code for being black, but it is still "okay" in some parts of the US to be Islamophobic, so again you don't get called a racist ... just an intolerant idiot (something Christians seem to have perfected in the extreme sects).
Just like socialist/communist/fascist/dictator is dog-whistle language for haters to hate before even considering the reality.
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Message 1479 of 1485 (754452)
03-26-2015 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1464 by ooh-child
03-26-2015 4:46 PM


Summary of where we are on the birther issue/s
Is Obama running in the next Republican primary? Cuz, the title of this thread is about awesome Republican primaries.
This is in response to Ted Cruz running for president even though he was born in Canada of a Cuban immigrant and American mother.
The parallel to Obama is hilarious, and even birther-in-chief Donald Trump has asked for Cruz's birth certificate ...
The US Constitution says (article 2 section 1 paragraph 5):
quote:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Next up we have Title 8 Chapter 12 Subchapter III Part I 1401
quote:
U.S. Code 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
  1. a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

ie - "natural born" by virtue of being a citizen at birth (do not have to be "naturalized" to become a citizen), here by having at least one parent being a US citizen even if not born in the US.
There is also a provision that you can't have allegiance to another country, and that is why Cruz recently revoked his Canadian citizenship.
What this means is
  1. that IF Cruz is a legitimate citizen to be president, as appears to be the case, THEN Obama most certainly was\is legitimate,(1)
  2. anyone who claims Obama isn't legitimate while not saying the same for Cruz is a hypocrite,
It will be most entertaining to watch the birthers that want Cruz but hate Obama twist on this issue.
Enjoy
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(1) so even if Obama was not a "natural born" citizen by virtue of being born IN the US (which he was), he still qualifies as a "natural born" citizen by virtue of having an American citizen parent (mother), and that makes him more qualified as a "natural born" citizen than Cruz ever will be ....
Edited by RAZD, : footnote added
Edited by RAZD, : splng
Edited by RAZD, : grama

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