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Author Topic:   The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution
edge
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Message 307 of 342 (719241)
02-12-2014 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by Eliyahu
02-12-2014 6:59 AM


Re: Fossils disprove evolution
There we have it: When they agree with the ET the layers are correct, if they don't; they are inverted.
Is that what Percy wrote?
You seem to have a fairly casual attitude toward quoting people.
With this kind of "science" you can proof about everything.
What clue do you have about geology? And you think that magic is more scientific than stratigraphy and structural geology?
I mean really, is 'goddidit' more explanatory?
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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edge
Member (Idle past 1705 days)
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From: Colorado, USA
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Message 308 of 342 (719242)
02-12-2014 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Eliyahu
02-12-2014 7:05 AM


Re: Fossils disprove evolution
If nobody can tell me how new attributes are formed, then it is a kind of useless trying to learn about it....
In your case, yes, it's pretty much useless.

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edge
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Message 309 of 342 (719244)
02-12-2014 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Eliyahu
02-12-2014 7:22 AM


Re: Fossils disprove evolution
I can go on like this for a while, but I assume you got the picture by now: The fossil record shows STASIS and sudden appearance of new fully formed species, and not evolution.
Except that this does not conform to the bible, and actually IS evolution by modern definition.
I'm not sure you can catch up with us in this century or not, but please desist from redefinition of things you don't understand.
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edge
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Message 324 of 342 (720426)
02-23-2014 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 322 by Eliyahu
02-23-2014 2:05 AM


Re: Fossils disprove evolution
The fossil record shows only STASIS, non-change, and sudden appearance of new species, ....
So, you are saying that going from Cambrian fossil communities through the Paleozoic communities and on to Mezozoic dinosaurs, and then on to mammals and ultimately humans is stasis? Please explain.
... without a link to supposed predecessors.
So, then, tiktaalik does not provide a link between marine species and land-dwelling species? Why not?

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Message 325 of 342 (720427)
02-23-2014 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 322 by Eliyahu
02-23-2014 2:05 AM


Re: Fossils disprove evolution
Probably a wast of time, but with respect to your Stanley quote:
"Species that were once thought to have turned into others have been found to overlap in time with these alleged descendants. In fact, the fossil record does not convincingly document a single transition from one species to another."
Stanley, S.M., The New Evolutionary Timetable: Fossils, Genes, and the Origin of Species, 1981, p. 95, speaking about the Bighorn basin in Wyoming USA.
S.M. Stanley is an American paleontologist and evolutionary biologist at the University of Hawaii at Manoa.
He wrote many articles, also together with Niles Eldredge, de co-inventor of the punctuated equilibrium theory.
One of his articles is Paleontology and earth system history in the new millennium which has been published in Geological Society of America
For more info about prof Stanley look here: Steven M. Stanley - Wikipedia
I'm sure that you have been taken to task on this quote mine before but, just for the record, I will refer you to a more complete quote from Stanley:
A more complete quote would be:
"Superb fossil data have recently been gathered from deposits of early Cenozoic Age in the Bighorn Basin of Wyoming. These deposits represent the first part of the Eocene Epoch, a critical interval when many types of modern mammals came into being. The Bighorn Basin, in the shadow of the Rocky Mountains, received large volumes of sediment from the Rockies when they were being uplifted, early in the Age of Mammals. In its remarkable degree of completeness, the fossil record here for the Early Eocene is unmatched by contemporary deposits exposed elsewhere in the world. The deposits of the Bighorn Basin provide a nearly continuous local depositional record for this interval, which lasted some five million years. It used to be assumed that certain populations of the basin could be linked together in such a way as to illustrate continuous evolution. Careful collecting has now shown otherwise. Species that were once thought to have turned into others have been found to overlap in time with these alleged descendants. In fact, the fossil record does not convincingly document a single transition from one species to another. Furthermore, species lasted for astoundingly long periods of time. David M. Schankler has recently gathered data for about eighty mammal species that are known from more than two stratigraphic levels in the Bighorn Basin. Very few of these species existed for less than half a million years, and their average duration was greater than a million years."
So we see that Stanley wasn't talking about the fossil record in general, but the fossil record in the Bighorn Basin.
- Jon (Augray) Barber
(emphasis added)
Quote Mine Project: "Lack of Identifiable Phylogeny"
I repeat my earlier commentary that quote mining is not just lying, it is stealing.

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edge
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Message 328 of 342 (720438)
02-23-2014 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by RAZD
02-23-2014 11:16 AM


Re: Fossils display evolution in spades ...
And he was not saying that evolution did not occur, ...
It is truly a wonder that so many 'evolutionists' say so many anti-evolutionary things, isn't it?
... nor was not evident in the fossil record, but that there was stasis observed in many species, that parent species continued to exist after daughter species appeared, ...
It puzzles my why 'evos' didn't see this one coming.
... and he was comparing punk-eek to gradualism.
Oh, so many details!
But then, Eli seems also to ignore the tiny detail that PE is evolution.

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