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Author Topic:   Ratio of Deleterious Mutations to Beneficial Ones
NoNukes
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Message 15 of 35 (719368)
02-13-2014 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by nwr
02-13-2014 8:08 AM


Here's the thing to remember with mutations: If a population is well adapted to its environment, then most changes will be changes for the worse. That is, most mutations will be deleterious.
I doubt that this is correct. Perhaps it could be true about organisms who are overly well adapted to some niche environment, but I would not expect that this is true for humans for example.
The fact is that most human mutations are somewhere close to neutral with respect to fitness. We know this because every human has mutations. It may be that most mutations that have some significant fitness impact are deleterious rather than beneficial, but given that such mutations are selected against, I would expect that even lop sided ratios of deleterious vs beneficial mutations would not stop the process of evolution.
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NoNukes
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Message 24 of 35 (719396)
02-13-2014 10:02 PM
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02-13-2014 7:56 PM


Are you talking about the kinds of mutations that occur in the body but not the reproductive cells or both or what?
I'm talking about the genetic changes that are inheritable. Changes which are not inheritable can only affect an individual.
How are they selected against?
Is this a serious question? I don't see how it could be.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 31 of 35 (719461)
02-14-2014 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Faith
02-13-2014 10:13 PM


Re: Selected against
The problem is that many deleterious mutations are NOT selected out; they produce genetic disease that a person may simply have to live with.
Your ignorance is beyond the ken of mere mortals. Despite debating about evolution for years, you are still asking for the definition of terms like deleterious and selection.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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