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Message 54 of 342 (717962)
02-03-2014 11:26 AM

Reply to: Message 39 by Eliyahu
02-03-2014 7:41 AM

Re: The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution

Eliyahu writes:

The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.

The fossil record is a series of snapshots. There is no way it could show that evolution didn't happen because it doesn't show what happened between the snapshots.

I take a snapshot of myself in New York City. I take a snapshot of myself in Memphis. I take a snapshot of myself on Malibu Beach. You're concluding from those snapshots that I was never anywhere in between. Impossible. Illogical.

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Message 151 of 342 (718197)
02-05-2014 11:13 AM

Reply to: Message 136 by Eliyahu
02-05-2014 12:15 AM

Re: The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution

Eliyahu writes:

What the author says is: "In stead that they attacked the evo theory, they SILENTLY agreed that the fossil record was too poor to do anything but IN A GENERAL SORT OF WAY, supporting that evolution had happened.

This is where your logic goes sideways.

Suppose scientists do admit that fossils only support evolution "in a general sort of way". You are still wrong in TWO separate ways:

If the fossil record doesn't conclusively prove evolution, that doesn't mean it DISproves evolution. Lack of evidence for Bigfoot doesn't prove that Bigfoot doesn't exist. It only fails to prove that he does exist.
There are many, many, many, many OTHER lines of evidence, completely independent of fossils, which also support evolution.

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Message 179 of 342 (718349)
02-06-2014 10:49 AM

Reply to: Message 154 by Eliyahu
02-05-2014 1:27 PM

Re: The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution

Eliyahu writes:

If Bigfoot should have left some proof that he had walked through you garden, for instance, you should have seen his footsteps in the snow, and there are no footsteps in the snow, then you know, then that is proof, that Bigfoot didn't walk through you garden.

Lack of evidence for Bigfoot in my garden does not prove that Bigfoot was not in my garden. And even if Bigfoot was never in my garden, it's possible that he exists somewhere else.

Eliyahu writes:

If evolution really happened, it should have left traces in the fossil record.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, fossils are snapshots. If there's a snapshot of me in New York and a snapshot of me on Los Angeles, you can infer that I travelled somehow from New York to Los Angeles. If you don't have a snapshot of me in St. Louis, you can not infer from that that I never travelled from New York to Los Angeles. You can't even safely infer that I didn't pass through St. Louis. You can only safely conclude that there is no evidence of that particular step in the trip.

Similarly, fossils only show individual steps in the process and most of the steps are missing from the record. You can not use missing steps to disprove that the overall process didn't happen. The very most you could conclude from the fossil record would be that it is insufficient evidence to conclusively prove evolution.

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Message 227 of 342 (718905)
02-09-2014 1:45 PM

Reply to: Message 210 by Eliyahu
02-09-2014 6:36 AM

Re: The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution

Eliyahu writes:

What part of "Those who believe that the geological record is in any degree perfect, will undoubtedly at once reject my theory. " is it that you don't understand?

You seem to be the one who doesn't understand your quote. It says that IF you think the geological record is perfect, you will reject evolution. But nobody thinks the geological record is perfect.

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Message 318 of 342 (720118)
02-20-2014 11:32 AM

Reply to: Message 314 by Eliyahu
02-20-2014 6:40 AM

Re: Fossils disprove evolution

Eliayahu writes:

I can come up with MANY questions that evo's cannot answer.

You mean you won't accept the answers.

Eliyahu writes:

The point however, remains, that the fossil record is in agreement with creation, and rebuffs evolution.

That "point" has been thoroughly flushed down the toilet in this thread. The only point you have established is that you don't understand your own sources.