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Author Topic:   No genetic bottleneck proves no global flood
NosyNed
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Message 27 of 140 (720304)
02-21-2014 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Tangle
02-21-2014 11:54 AM


Bottleneck
note that genetic diversity was not lost by isolation - in this case at least.
So the arc coulda happened and not shown a bottleneck?

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Message 98 of 140 (720928)
02-28-2014 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
02-28-2014 1:30 AM


Deleterious
most of them ARE neutral or deleterious
Don't emphasize the "are" when you don't actually know.
And the dark fur mutation is an excellent example of a deleterious mutation. It is clearly very deleterious and, being dominant, subject to strong selection pressure. That is why it is constantly stripped out of the populations.
That is, deleterious until there is a nearby dark lava field. Then suddenly it is extremely beneficial.
normally occurring dominant "D" alleles scattered through the population and not mutations.
and by what magic did one of them appear on one lava field and a different one on another but not both on the same field?

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Message 104 of 140 (721194)
03-04-2014 9:46 PM
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03-04-2014 8:51 PM


Neutral, deleterious or beneficial
The point is that a mutation (or any combination of genetic material from whatever source) that produces a specific body form is not any of neutral, deleterious or beneficial in and of itself. (this excludes ones that produce a non viable embryo and such like of course)
Dark fur is a phenotype and so is light fur. If there were no hawks flying around the both of them would be neutral.
Any genetics that causes a dark furred phenotype is very deleterious in the light sandy areas and very beneficial in the dark lave areas.
So if a mutation does cause a genetic change to dark or light it isn't by itself either bad or good. It depends and that is true of many different genomes.
The question of whether is it a mutation or not has much evidence suggesting that it is.

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